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Post by waiting-for-changes on Nov 5, 2019 15:09:06 GMT
Before Buck Rogers, Grant said something like 'You know what's coming...do we really have to play it?' No, Grant, you don't. You're an artist, not a jukebox. Or at least, you don't have to play Buck Rogers every night *and* Just the Way I'm Feeling *and* Seven Days in the Sun *and* Feeling a Moment *and* Just a Day *and* High *and* Come Back Around. And you don't have to end every main set with Buck Rogers and every encore with Just a Day. It creates a cycle and you reinforce it every damned show. But then this is the same band that announce a new single the day of their tour, then neither play it live nor mention it on their website. (I had to look hard to find a lossless copy to buy. It's crazy. They're literally making it harder for me to give them money). It's so frustrating. On the upside: Guillotine makes 10 out of 12 songs played so far on this tour. Just add Rodeo and Lonely Hollow Days and we're there. Come on, boys! Hold your nerve and play the show you actually want to play. I believe in you!
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Post by fitfornothing on Nov 5, 2019 15:28:30 GMT
you don't have to play Buck Rogers every night *and* Just the Way I'm Feeling *and* Seven Days in the Sun* and *Feeling a Moment* and *Just a Day* and *High* and *Come Back Around*. And you don't have to end every main set with Buck Rogers and every encore with Just a Day. Lol. I think you'll find he does but I share your pain. Wouldn't it be nice if he put Buck back mid-set where it used to be (if he has to play it) and then finished the main set with Just a Day, leaving us with the thrill of not knowing what they'd play in the encore. Only of course it would be High and Seven Days in the Sun. There is no hope
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Nov 5, 2019 15:49:15 GMT
There is no hope I genuinely wonder where he gets this idea. U2 don't play every hit every night. Coldplay don't. Noel Gallagher doesn't. Foo Fighters don't. Springsteen and Green Day do, but that's only 'cause they play for three hours! I think Feeder have let themselves become a singles band, live, and it's a mistake. Even the rarities are singles now – Comfort in Sound on this tour, Piece by Piece and Stereo World on the last. With every tour it gets harder to change.
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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Nov 5, 2019 19:38:43 GMT
Although I love the recorded Figure You Out, I think it's one of the weakest songs live for some reason.
I'm interested to see (or hear in the case of Manchester) what happens for the 2 nights at the same venue.
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Post by Bixer on Nov 5, 2019 19:48:48 GMT
I’ve had similar discussions on a few band forums, ultimately I think it’s easy to forget that us ‘die hard’ fans are a relatively tiny minority. Probably around 75% or so at every Feeder gig are seeing Feeder for either the first time, or for the first time in many years.
While us on this forum would maybe welcome the likes of Buck Rogers being dropped for something rarer for a tour or two, that 75% would then probably leave thinking ‘How on earth can they not play Buck Rogers?!’
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Post by Stu on Nov 5, 2019 20:27:12 GMT
But if those people are truly casual fans, many presumably seeing them for the first time, how many of them know that they play Buck/JAD every gig? Just put on a good performance, maybe a small percentage will be disappointed with no Buck/JAD and move on. Some people might not come back because they didn't get the song they wanted, but equally some people might be encouraged that the bones of the setlist aren't set in stone. Over the years I'm sure there will have been some gig attendees who think 'They're still playing these same songs?' afterwards and write the band off. I'm sure there are some former die hards who don't even bother any more because of the repetition. At least this last set struck a decent balance with the new material instead of pretending that they haven't released an album recently...
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Nov 5, 2019 22:12:41 GMT
I think it’s easy to forget that us ‘die hard’ fans are a relatively tiny minority. Probably around 75% or so at every Feeder gig are seeing Feeder for either the first time, or for the first time in many years. Maybe. At this stage in their career, though, I'd expect Feeder's core audience to be fans who've stuck with them for years. They play unfashionable music with hardly any boost from the radio or the new tastemakers, curated streaming playlists. That 75% would then probably leave thinking ‘How on earth can they not play Buck Rogers?!’ Again: there are many example of bigger bands playing bigger shows who do not play every hit every night. I'm not saying Feeder should ditch all the hits. I think that would be obtuse. But they could play Buck OR Just a Day on a given night, or even two out of three of JTWIF, Feeling a Moment and High. Mix it up. Here's an example. I just looked up the closing night of U2's last tour. They did play 'Pride' and 'I Will Follow' and 'New Year's Day' and 'One'. They did NOT play 'Sunday Bloody Sunday' or 'Where the Streets Have No Name' or 'With or Without You' or 'I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For'! It can be done. When it comes to Feeder, if Grant is telling journalists that there are songs he'd happily never play again, or chiding audiences at shows, it's time to make a change.
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Nov 5, 2019 22:13:50 GMT
At least this last set struck a decent balance with the new material instead of pretending that they haven't released an album recently... Agreed. I really hope they build on this. I would be absolutely made up if, by the time they hit London, they're playing the whole album. Songs have exploded out of Grant in recent years. I don't think anyone expected him to follow up his solo album with an EP so quickly, or write 9 new songs for the Best Of. At the risk of armchair psychology, he seems to love writing and talking about writing, but feels a disconnect between that 'true self' and the persona he feels compelled to inhabit onstage, which is a bit like being in Groundhog Day. Surely the path to happiness is to integrate those personas, or at least find a happier balance.
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Post by Bixer on Nov 5, 2019 23:34:28 GMT
Looks like Norwich got a nigh on identical setlist to Oxford, just with Turn in place of Renegades (albeit much later on).
Exeter’s 16 on Saturday sticking out like a sore thumb - I assume something didn’t quite go to plan there?
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Post by Ian on Nov 6, 2019 7:24:59 GMT
Before Buck Rogers, Grant said something like 'You know what's coming...do we really have to play it?' No, Grant, you don't. You're an artist, not a jukebox. Or at least, you don't have to play Buck Rogers every night *and* Just the Way I'm Feeling *and* Seven Days in the Sun *and* Feeling a Moment *and* Just a Day *and* High *and* Come Back Around. And you don't have to end every main set with Buck Rogers and every encore with Just a Day. It creates a cycle and you reinforce it every damned show. But then this is the same band that announce a new single the day of their tour, then neither play it live nor mention it on their website. (I had to look hard to find a lossless copy to buy. It's crazy. They're literally making it harder for me to give them money). It's so frustrating. On the upside: Guillotine makes 10 out of 12 songs played so far on this tour. Just add Rodeo and Lonely Hollow Days and we're there. Come on, boys! Hold your nerve and play the show you actually want to play. I believe in you! Totally agree. They'd sell out more gigs if they had a reputation to play different songs. Take a look at John Mayer, 2 nights at the O2, think he repeated 4 songs on both nights. Pearl Jam are another good example. I'll be gobsmacked if we get more than 4 different songs in Manchester. Going to propose this formula (?) to Grant if I ever get the chance, a mixed 20 song setlist, on a tour like this, I'd drop 2/3 others in favour of increasing Tallulah, for example. The following songs on setlists should be interchangeable. Waiting For Changes / Insomnia / You're My Evergreen Comfort In Sound / Come Back Around Forget About Tomorrow / Yesterday Went Too Soon Seven Days In The Sun / Turn / We Can't Rewind Shatter / Lost And Found / Pushing The Senses Descend / My Perfect Day / Shade / Stereo World / Sweet 16 Crash / Cement / Day In Day Out Piece By Piece / Tumble And Fall / Silent Cry / Tender Tallulah [2] All Bright Electric [2] Silent Cry [1] Generation Freakshow [1] Renegades [1] StaplesJust A Day Buck Rogers High Just The Way I'm Feeling Feeling A Moment
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Post by DanBoden39 on Nov 6, 2019 9:48:04 GMT
Is anyone else like me? Still mortified that probably the last chance to see "Who's The Enemy" live was on the Best Of tour? Even though it was an option on the setlist, they never picked it!
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Nov 6, 2019 9:49:07 GMT
Look at John Mayer, 2 nights at the O2, think he repeated 4 songs on both nights. That's awesome. They Might Be Giants are my go-to example. I've gone to every gig they've played in London for 15 years, and they're always different. Last time they played, I chatted with a few groups of fans who'd gone to two or three gigs on the tour, or even followed the whole thing. They'd seen a substantially different show every night. They might play a completely different selection of hits, or an album in full, or play last night's set in reverse order (or even alphabetical order!) It's exhilarating to watch and it keeps the band match-fit.
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Post by Bixer on Nov 6, 2019 10:43:58 GMT
Again: there are many example of bigger bands playing bigger shows who do not play every hit every night. I'm not saying Feeder should ditch all the hits. I think that would be obtuse. But they could play Buck OR Just a Day on a given night, or even two out of three of JTWIF, Feeling a Moment and High. Mix it up. Here's an example. I just looked up the closing night of U2's last tour. They did play 'Pride' and 'I Will Follow' and 'New Year's Day' and 'One'. They did NOT play 'Sunday Bloody Sunday' or 'Where the Streets Have No Name' or 'With or Without You' or 'I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For'! It can be done. When it comes to Feeder, if Grant is telling journalists that there are songs he'd happily never play again, or chiding audiences at shows, it's time to make a change. But then in regards to your earlier examples, Foo Fighters might not play, say, Times Like These every single time, but they do play All My Life and Everlong at every single show without fail. Similarly Noel Gallagher does play Wonderwall and Don't Look Back in Anger at every show. It works for some bands, for example I like that when I see Queens of the Stone Age, there's not a guarantee that any song won't get dropped. Same with Radiohead. But you almost need to adopt that reputation right out of the gate for it to work. I'm not saying I'm for it necessarily, I'm one of those that would welcome the rotation, but I can see why Feeder do and I can see why they're still reluctant to drop that small handful, despite growing tired of them. You could also argue however that they do actually drop some of the hits from time to time - Pushing the Senses, Lost & Found, Shatter etc. I've also been to a few tours of theirs in the past where they've not played Seven Days in the Sun. I think it just depends on the calibre of the song and what it means for their success. Most of the others you could probably get away without, but I just can't imagine a scenario where Feeder feel comfortable enough to not play Buck Rogers or Just a Day. It'd be like going to see Alien Ant Farm on a whim and they didn't play Smooth Criminal. They're probably tired of it, the 'hardcore' fans are probably tired of it (if they even have many?), but you still couldn't help but feel a little short-changed if you were someone who was only ever planning to see them the one time. Some of that apparent boredom around a couple of the songs on their behalf also possibly comes from how much Feeder have played over the past few years too. They've toured for a fair portion of each of the last 4 years (I've seen them in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 in a row now), whereas previously they've tended to only do 2 or 3 in a row before having a full 2 or so years off. I'm incredibly grateful considering they're one of my favourite bands, but strangely it doesn't actually feel like there's been any kind of discernible gap between All Bright Electric and Tallulah. Tl;dr - I think the likes of Buck Rogers, Just a Day and perhaps Just the Way I'm Feeling are quite fairly here to stay, but I think the solution to keep everyone happy would be a bit more rotation around some of the 'B tier' hits. The likes of Insomnia, Seven Days in the Sun, High and perhaps Come Back Around maybe don't need to be played at every show.
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Nov 6, 2019 13:05:32 GMT
Buck Rogers, Just a Day and perhaps Just the Way I'm Feeling are quite fairly here to stay, but I think the solution to keep everyone happy would be a bit more rotation around some of the 'B tier' hits. The likes of Insomnia, Seven Days in the Sun, High and perhaps Come Back Around maybe don't need to be played at every show. 100% that. I absolutely agree
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Post by Feederpark on Nov 6, 2019 14:09:36 GMT
It's funny because a lot of bands are doing the same thing than Feeder to be honest, i'm not sure that a majority of bands mix their setlist a lot during a tour. For example, Oasis used to do THE EXACT same setlist over a whole tour, a lot of bands do the same... As some people said, a large part of attendees are also here to hear the biggest hits, so you can't blame the guys trying to satisfy everyone. Besides, they also may like to play some big tunes and see the whole reaction on them.
You can see Feeder quite often in the UK and I understand your frustration, but for example we had to wait 8 years between the last 2 Feeder gigs in Paris, and I can assure you that Buck Rogers or Just a Day were great moments even if we're "bored of them" (if we can say so) as we barely have the occasion to see them live.
Don't forget also that they played lots of different songs during the Best of tour (Cement, My Perfect Day, Stereo World, Piece by Piece, Silent Cry) and now Comfort in Sound that they hadn't played for a while, we cannot say that we have nothing new! It's hard work to re-learn 50 songs or more, and not as easy as many would think !
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Post by fitfornothing on Nov 6, 2019 15:48:27 GMT
Is anyone else like me? Still mortified that probably the last chance to see "Who's The Enemy" live was on the Best Of tour? Hopefully not. I think it is top of the list of tracks to get played from Silent Cry but people have been campaigning for something from Silent Cry for years and not got anywhere. Well apart from the title track on the Best Of Tour but that was semi-acoustic which I don't think is its best format. they do actually drop some of the hits from time to time - Pushing the Senses, Lost & Found, Shatter etc. Shatter was dropped for a long time and there was quite a campaign to get it played on the ABE tour along with Turn which was successful but now sadly they are very occasional plays. I'm sort of delighted to see Comfort In Sound back as it's at least a change, just not a very adventurous one. It's hard work to re-learn 50 songs or more, and not as easy as many would think ! This is true but they do go to the trouble of rehearsing songs and sound checking them but then don't play them. Crash for instance was rehearsed for the Best Of tour, even made it on to the set list but wasn't played. Would love to hear that live again. At least on that tour I finally got to hear Cement again although I had to attend extra dates to make sure I heard it! Yes and they did also do Piece by Piece, Stereo World, My Perfect Day... but only by playing for an extra half hour so they didn't have to drop any of the biggies!
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Nov 6, 2019 20:16:55 GMT
It's hard work to re-learn 50 songs or more, and not as easy as many would think ! I don't think that's true, not for most of the band. Remember that Feeder is two guys: Grant and Taka. The other three are paid session musicians, and part of doing that job is being able to learn lots of materials fast. It comes with the turf. I think the barrier, besides lack of will, would be money. The more days you employ them, the more it costs. Much more cost-efficient to nail a set and know you can put it all back together again in a few days before you head out on the next tour.
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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Nov 6, 2019 21:27:13 GMT
Even if Feeder play the same 6 hits every gig, that still leaves another 12 songs on an average-length set list. 7 from the latest album leaves 5 to play around with. One of the best reactions I've ever seen at a Feeder gig was for Feel it Again at V Festival. If they threw in a curve ball like that every tour, I think far more people would be happy.
The Best Of tour was great anyway, so I can't complain with 6 or 7 songs from Tallulah on this one. I'm hoping for something I haven't heard in a while, like Turn.
Teenage Fanclub played nearly 80 different songs on their last tour (they have session musicians too, and brought back some old members). Though no band is perfect, and Feeder happen to not mix their sets up as much as many of us would like. They're one of our favourite bands for a reason. If they weren't, we wouldn't be as critical because we wouldn't care.
As for Exeter, maybe there was an early curfew.
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Post by Telepathic, social addicts on Nov 6, 2019 22:38:53 GMT
I was at Exeter. Yes the set did seem short and we didn't have as many tracks as the other dates. Didn't think grant interacted that much with the crowd either (I'm not sure that's his thing anyhow!)
As for a curfew, a find it highly unlikely as the gig was at the uni campus.
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Post by Bixer on Nov 7, 2019 11:02:49 GMT
I was at Exeter. Yes the set did seem short and we didn't have as many tracks as the other dates. Didn't think grant interacted that much with the crowd either (I'm not sure that's his thing anyhow!) As for a curfew, a find it highly unlikely as the gig was at the uni campus. Tuesday's show in Norwich was also at a uni campus and based on a couple of Facebook comments I've seen, Feeder had to start at 8:15 rather than 8:45 due to an earlier than usual curfew, so perhaps that was the case at Exeter too but Feeder didn't have time to make adequate plans around it? That would make sense if Grant was quieter than usual too (he was pretty chatty in Oxford to be honest), maybe knowing that he felt it better to prioritise just squeezing in as many songs as possible.
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