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Post by WaitingForChanges on Nov 7, 2019 11:41:15 GMT
I got stuck in another boring meeting, so I had a play with the emerging Talluah set. I wanted to see what might be possible if the boys pushed themselves a bit.
Here's a suggestion for a set.
Some principles: - Like I say, it's about what might be possible with some tweaks, not getting into another subjective round of 'fantasy setlist' - It's the same length - It follows the same order - It adds the remaining two songs from Tallulah, 'Lonely Hollow Days' and 'Rodeo' - It adds the new single, 'Criminal' - It moves 'Buck Rogers' and 'Just a Day', elevating new songs - It gives a bit of a twist to another inevitable song, 'Just the Way I'm Feeling', by making it acoustic - It removes four tired hits that wouldn't cause a riot to rest: Insomnia, High, Come Back Around, Figure You Out
So here's a set that's relatively conservative, that showcases new material, and wouldn't cause an angry stampede.
1. Youth 2. Feeling a Moment 3. Daily Habit 4. Fear of Flying 5. Shapes and Sounds 6. Criminal 7. Buck Rogers 8. Windmill 9. Kyoto 10. Eskimo 11. Kite 12. My Perfect Day (or any b-tier hit, really) 13. Comfort in Sound 14. Guillotine 15. Seven Days in the Sun 16. Tallulah
ENCORE 1 17. Lonely Hollow Days (acoustic) 18. Just the Way I’m Feeling (acoustic) 19. Blue Sky Blue 20. Just a Day
ENCORE 2 21. Rodeo
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Post by Bixer on Nov 7, 2019 14:19:14 GMT
I like a lot of that. I definitely like Buck Rogers being moved to much earlier in the show so as to give it almost slightly less importance. Making Just the Way I'm Feeling acoustic would also actually be a really easy way to make it feel fresh for a while.
Looking at some of their 'statistics' on setlist.fm, one notable song is We Can't Rewind. I assume at one point it must've been somewhat of a staple as it's their 12th most played song ever, but for some reason it's been abandoned entirely since February 2011. That'd be a really easy one to bring back in place of something like Insomnia or High.
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Post by fitfornothing on Nov 7, 2019 14:31:27 GMT
So here's a set that's relatively conservative, that showcases new material, and wouldn't cause an angry stampede. I think omitting the likes of Come Back Around, Insomnia, High, Turn and replacing them with new songs might cause a small non-angry stampede. Personally I'd rather see them stick to the mix of old and new they have now. They could rotate in the two missing Tulullah songs + Criminal. Yes those songs you omit need replacing but I'd go for other oldies. I'd keep Turn but leave out Come Back Around, Insomnia, High and Seven Days. I'd settle for four from the ones we know they know e.g. Shatter, My Perfect Day, Renegades and YWTS etc if they haven't got anything else rehearsed but if they could just have ONE complete surprise then even better.
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Post by WaitingForChanges on Nov 8, 2019 6:52:43 GMT
So here's a set that's relatively conservative, that showcases new material, and wouldn't cause an angry stampede. I think omitting the likes of Come Back Around, Insomnia, High, Turn and replacing them with new songs might cause a small non-angry stampede. Maybe. Come Back Around was left out of the Generation Freakshow tour, though. Turn was rested for 11 years. I like the idea of resting songs-that-aren't-mega-hits: - if they're from the last-but-one album – so, anything from All Bright Electric (Eskimo, Universe of Life); or - if they've been played on the last two tours in a row – so, Come Back Around, Figure You Out, Lost & Found and Insomnia, which all featured on both the All Bright Electric and Best Of tours. That keeps things moving a bit.
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Post by YesterdaysGeneration on Nov 8, 2019 7:40:10 GMT
Brilliant show in Cardiff last night. The mix was great too, all the instruments were very clear and the vocals cut through well which was nice as the last time they played in Cardiff the sound was a bit muffled.
Managed to get Taka’s set list and Grant’s guitar pick - would post a photo, but not sure how..
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Post by Feederpark on Nov 8, 2019 10:23:49 GMT
It's hard work to re-learn 50 songs or more, and not as easy as many would think ! I don't think that's true, not for most of the band. Remember that Feeder is two guys: Grant and Taka. The other three are paid session musicians, and part of doing that job is being able to learn lots of materials fast. It comes with the turf. I think the barrier, besides lack of will, would be money. The more days you employ them, the more it costs. Much more cost-efficient to nail a set and know you can put it all back together again in a few days before you head out on the next tour. Well, learning 50 or 60 songs IS hard, even for the best musicians in the world, especially in a short amount of time. You're clearly underestimating the difficulty of their job here. I don't get why there's so much hate about the band playing the classic tunes. Nobody's putting a knife under their throat and force them to play the songs, they do it because they want it at the end of the day.
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Post by Stu on Nov 8, 2019 11:08:21 GMT
I don't get why there's so much hate about the band playing the classic tunes. Nobody's putting a knife under their throat and force them to play the songs, they do it because they want it at the end of the day. They do it because they feel obligated to.
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Post by WaitingForChanges on Nov 8, 2019 11:54:16 GMT
You're clearly underestimating the difficulty of their job here. I hope not, I'm the son of an orchestral musician and my best friend is a session player. Also, it's not a binary choice between long-listing 60 songs OR playing the same core set every night. There is so much space between those two positions. I don't get why there's so much hate about the band playing the classic tunes. It's not hate, and simply 'playing the classic tunes' isn't the reason. That's not a fair representation of what anyone's said. They do it because they want it. Revisit the report of Grant's comments to the crowd in Oxford on page 3 of this thread. Also, his many comments to journalists about songs like 'Buck Rogers'. Let's not let this thread become an argument
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Post by unfinisheddrawings on Nov 8, 2019 12:41:23 GMT
Jeeeez! They're doing good guys haha. There was 9 songs from Tallulah last night, 3/4 of the album, they've brought back Comfort in Sound and it sounds great - they've brought back Turn... on the last tour we got Silent Cry, Children of the Sun, My Perfect Day, Piece by Piece, Stereo World, Cement, Forget About Tomorrow - like it's never going to be perfect and keep both the casual and hardcore fans completely happy unless we get album shows - but they're doing a bloody good job! 9 brand new songs in the setlist and one that hasn't been played in years. It's obvious why they play the hits - the crowd reaction says it all, for Buck/7DITS/JTWIF/JAD the energy skyrockets - for the new songs I could hardly see anyone moving or singing along, not to say they didn't enjoy them - but most Feeder fans are "greatest hits" fans - and they're the ones paying for tickets. As much as I would like to see Lost and Found dropped for something else, it sounded great at the start of the set. Tallulah (the song) sounds incredible live, as do most of the new ones. I've never been too keen on Kite and would much rather have seen Rodeo or Windmill, but I really can't complain - it was a brilliant gig last night and I can't wait for the London dates. In short, the band are doing great. Plenty of new stuff in the set, and sounding awesome. Quit whining! Haha.
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Post by Feederpark on Nov 8, 2019 14:23:39 GMT
I don't get why there's so much hate about the band playing the classic tunes. It's not hate, and simply 'playing the classic tunes' isn't the reason. That's not a fair representation of what anyone's said. They do it because they want it. Revisit the report of Grant's comments to the crowd in Oxford on page 3 of this thread. Also, his many comments to journalists about songs like 'Buck Rogers'. Let's not let this thread become an argument First of all, I'm coming in peace so there's no argument at all, and it's always nice to share different ideas (at the end of the day, nobody's right or wrong on such questions) and it's nice having debates because we get to understand more what people are waiting for regarding the tours, so be sure that there's no anger at all ! You're clearly underestimating the difficulty of their job here. I hope not, I'm the son of an orchestral musician and my best friend is a session player. Also, it's not a binary choice between long-listing 60 songs OR playing the same core set every night. There is so much space between those two positions. Yes you're right, there could be more variety (and I'd also like it), what I meant is just that I can understand that they prefer to stick on something they master well. Grant is said to be a perfectionist so I guess he doesn't necessarily want to take some risks by playing rarities. But once again, I think we'd all agree to have more "spicy" setlists. I don't get why there's so much hate about the band playing the classic tunes. Nobody's putting a knife under their throat and force them to play the songs, they do it because they want it at the end of the day. They do it because they feel obligated to. I get what you mean but I don't think that's the only reason. When we think of it, the highest moments of success in the Feeder career are behind them, and they can now have some more freedom to do what they want (in studio or live by the way). After all, what would they have to lose if they decided to skip some hits in the sets ? Their fanbase seems pretty solid (I'm not leaving in the UK so you clearly have a better idea on their "fame" there) and wouldn't mind such choices, so I don't really get what would prevent them from stopping playing the big tunes. Once again this is still suppositions but I'm quite convinced that they still enjoy to see crowds going on stuff like JAD or BR, even if they might get bored playing them.
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Post by fitfornothing on Nov 9, 2019 20:30:11 GMT
for the new songs I could hardly see anyone moving or singing along I was! I was! lol. To every song. Was a brilliant gig in Leeds. Yes the oldies did get a massive response, hence their inclusion. Exact same set as Cardiff, which I hope doesn't mean it's fixed in stone for the rest of the tour. Variety is good. Eskimo doesn't really work live for me, although it's great on record, and most of the crowd don't know it so I'd like to see that swapped out. While Figure You Out doesn't rock my boat on record but it does sound good live!
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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Nov 10, 2019 11:45:41 GMT
for the new songs I could hardly see anyone moving or singing along I was! I was! lol. To every song. Was a brilliant gig in Leeds. Yes the oldies did get a massive response, hence their inclusion. Exact same set as Cardiff, which I hope doesn't mean it's fixed in stone for the rest of the tour. Variety is good. Eskimo doesn't really work live for me, although it's great on record, and most of the crowd don't know it so I'd like to see that swapped out. While Figure You Out doesn't rock my boat on record but it does sound good live! Heh - I'm the opposite for Figure You Out. I love Eskimo live and on record. I think the ABE stuff sounds great live, particularly Geezer.
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Post by takatakataka on Nov 10, 2019 21:44:11 GMT
I'm also big on Eskimo live, think it sounds great especially the extended version
REALLY wish they would re record it
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Post by Bixer on Nov 11, 2019 7:56:58 GMT
Yeah I’m disappointed Geezer seems to have been dropped already, that’s one of the highlights of ABE.
Well to be honest for an album that’s only just 3 years old I suppose I’m surprised literally only one song has survived!
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Post by Bixer on Nov 12, 2019 8:53:01 GMT
Interesting, after my comment yesterday it looks like they re-added Universe of Life in Birmingham last night, giving them the longest set so far.
(Though Newcastle’s setlist seems to still be missing).
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Post by fitfornothing on Nov 12, 2019 9:51:21 GMT
they re-added Universe of Life in Birmingham last night This to me highlights the Feeder Set List Paradox! To those who say they have to play the biggies because they get the crowd going, yes they do, I totally agree but then they do this. They add a track from All Bright Electric which the masses won't know because they haven't bought the album, so the crowd reaction will be low. If he wanted a big crowd reaction he'd probably have gone for Pushing The Senses. I think most of the hardcore fans would also be fairly unmoved by this choice. It is thought clearly one of Grant's favourites, so on those grounds he's totally entitled to play it. However, he could have played absolutely anything from their back catalogue instead and got exactly the same reaction from the masses but could potentially have got a massive WOW (and brownie points) from the hardcore fans.
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Post by Feederpark on Nov 12, 2019 10:59:44 GMT
they re-added Universe of Life in Birmingham last night This to me highlights the Feeder Set List Paradox! To those who say they have to play the biggies because they get the crowd going, yes they do, I totally agree but then they do this. They add a track from All Bright Electric which the masses won't know because they haven't bought the album, so the crowd reaction will be low. If he wanted a big crowd reaction he'd probably have gone for Pushing The Senses. I think most of the hardcore fans would also be fairly unmoved by this choice. It is thought clearly one of Grant's favourites, so on those grounds he's totally entitled to play it. However, he could have played absolutely anything from their back catalogue instead and got exactly the same reaction from the masses but could potentially have got a massive WOW (and brownie points) from the hardcore fans. That's true... As you said I think Grant and Taka love playing this tune, but I totally agree with what you said in terms of crowd reaction.
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Post by WaitingForChanges on Nov 12, 2019 14:24:01 GMT
I think 'Tender' has played a similar role for Grant on the last 3 tours(!) There's the stuff you 'have to' play. Then there are the odd songs you sneak into the set, for you.
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Post by fitfornothing on Nov 12, 2019 15:04:10 GMT
I think 'Tender' has played a similar role for Grant on the last 3 tours(!) There's the stuff you 'have to' play. Then there are the odd songs you sneak into the set, for you. I was really surprised when Tender came back but in a way pleasantly surprised in that I thought it was rather well done. I was then rather shocked when it stayed in for multiple tours! If we're working through Grant's favourites then surely he's got a long list of ones he wants to play, like I've got a long list of my personal faves I want him to play. Hopefully some are on both lists. If we do one a tour then we might just about get there before we all kick the bucket, if they're all going to get three tours... we have no chance. Like Comfort in Sound this time. Good to hear it but please, next tour, move on...
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Post by Ian on Nov 15, 2019 9:11:38 GMT
I think 'Tender' has played a similar role for Grant on the last 3 tours(!) There's the stuff you 'have to' play. Then there are the odd songs you sneak into the set, for you. I was really surprised when Tender came back but in a way pleasantly surprised in that I thought it was rather well done. I was then rather shocked when it stayed in for multiple tours! If we're working through Grant's favourites then surely he's got a long list of ones he wants to play, like I've got a long list of my personal faves I want him to play. Hopefully some are on both lists. If we do one a tour then we might just about get there before we all kick the bucket, if they're all going to get three tours... we have no chance. Like Comfort in Sound this time. Good to hear it but please, next tour, move on... Think Tender was the influence of CC - wanting a piano-led song, he convinced Grant. Comfort In Sound, I understand is the influence of Tommy.
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