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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Nov 18, 2019 11:13:32 GMT
Both Manchester gigs were awesome. Kyoto is a beast live. Fear of Flying, Shapes & Sounds (which I like but isn't one of my favourites) and Tallulah were other highlights from Tallulah. We also got Turn and SDITS on the first night. The second night was the same set plus YWTS before Turn. Having missed out on Turn in recent years when it had been an option, I was delighted. I enjoyed Lost and Found more than usual. I also wonder if Grant underestimates the number of fans at gigs who don't know the old stuff. I know YWTS was on the Best Of, but as far as I could tell, as many people were singing along to it as some of the post-YWTS popular songs. I imagine there were a higher percentage of die-hards on the second night, but it still shows the fans who love the first two albums are there. The covers medley was great fun (and sounded awesome). Does anyone know all the songs? I recognised them all but couldn't place a couple. Smells Like Teen Spirit, Come As You Are, Paranoid by Black Sabbath, One Vision by Queen, something by Red Hot Chili Peppers and then an 80s power ballad. These sort of things are usually on setlist.fm.
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Post by Ian on Nov 18, 2019 19:15:00 GMT
Both Manchester gigs were awesome. Kyoto is a beast live. Fear of Flying, Shapes & Sounds (which I like but isn't one of my favourites) and Tallulah were other highlights from Tallulah. We also got Turn and SDITS on the first night. The second night was the same set plus YWTS before Turn. Having missed out on Turn in recent years when it had been an option, I was delighted. I enjoyed Lost and Found more than usual. I also wonder if Grant underestimates the number of fans at gigs who don't know the old stuff. I know YWTS was on the Best Of, but as far as I could tell, as many people were singing along to it as some of the post-YWTS popular songs. I imagine there were a higher percentage of die-hards on the second night, but it still shows the fans who love the first two albums are there. The covers medley was great fun (and sounded awesome). Does anyone know all the songs? I recognised them all but couldn't place a couple. Smells Like Teen Spirit, Come As You Are, Paranoid by Black Sabbath, One Vision by Queen, something by Red Hot Chili Peppers and then an 80s power ballad. These sort of things are usually on setlist.fm. Taka played Killing in the name on the 2nd night instead of the Chillis, and the 80s ballad was Jump by Van Halen - a surprise organised by CC & Dean which Grant wasn't expecting! I totally agree re: Grant. Think he would be surprised by how much people know some older songs, both album tracks and singles - interestingly, the guys have rehearsed Waiting For Changes for the tour (Last heard live in 2006!)
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Post by fitfornothing on Nov 18, 2019 19:25:22 GMT
interestingly, the guys have rehearsed Waiting For Changes for the tour (Last heard live in 2006!) Really? Where did you hear that gold nugget of info? My all time favourite Feeder live track! Always went down an absolute storm at festivals. If they play it, I bet they play it on the last night in London... not when I see them in Nottingham on Wednesday. Good to see YWTS back, up to 24 tracks now. If they add WFC as well it would make my year.
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Post by Ian on Nov 18, 2019 19:43:33 GMT
interestingly, the guys have rehearsed Waiting For Changes for the tour (Last heard live in 2006!) Really? Where did you hear that gold nugget of info? My all time favourite Feeder live track! Always went down an absolute storm at festivals. If they play it, I bet they play it on the last night in London... not when I see them in Nottingham on Wednesday. Good to see YWTS back, up to 24 tracks now. If they add WFC as well it would make my year. Ha, well you've got time to make a sign now and you know what to shout for
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Post by fitfornothing on Nov 19, 2019 9:55:38 GMT
Ha, well you've got time to make a sign now and you know what to shout for Lol. It would end up in a 'vote' and I've never been on the winning side in any of Grant's votes. I'm a jinx. I can just see it now 'Do you want to hear a track we've played on every tour since we wrote it 18 years ago or a classic from the archives we haven't played live in 13?' Ten seconds later 'This is Seven Days In The Sun...'
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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Nov 19, 2019 20:57:52 GMT
Both Manchester gigs were awesome. Kyoto is a beast live. Fear of Flying, Shapes & Sounds (which I like but isn't one of my favourites) and Tallulah were other highlights from Tallulah. We also got Turn and SDITS on the first night. The second night was the same set plus YWTS before Turn. Having missed out on Turn in recent years when it had been an option, I was delighted. I enjoyed Lost and Found more than usual. I also wonder if Grant underestimates the number of fans at gigs who don't know the old stuff. I know YWTS was on the Best Of, but as far as I could tell, as many people were singing along to it as some of the post-YWTS popular songs. I imagine there were a higher percentage of die-hards on the second night, but it still shows the fans who love the first two albums are there. The covers medley was great fun (and sounded awesome). Does anyone know all the songs? I recognised them all but couldn't place a couple. Smells Like Teen Spirit, Come As You Are, Paranoid by Black Sabbath, One Vision by Queen, something by Red Hot Chili Peppers and then an 80s power ballad. These sort of things are usually on setlist.fm. Taka played Killing in the name on the 2nd night instead of the Chillis, and the 80s ballad was Jump by Van Halen - a surprise organised by CC & Dean which Grant wasn't expecting! I totally agree re: Grant. Think he would be surprised by how much people know some older songs, both album tracks and singles - interestingly, the guys have rehearsed Waiting For Changes for the tour (Last heard live in 2006!) I thought Grant seemed surprised at Jump. It made it all seem unplanned, but when they did the same again the second night, it made it all seem rehearsed. It was good fun and something I wouldn't mind hearing more of - definitely the best intro I've heard to Buck Rogers!
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Post by gladas on Nov 22, 2019 9:48:04 GMT
Two free tickets for tonight if anybody's willing to collect from Canada Water! Got a horrible fever so gonna have to miss out 😥
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Post by Tommy on Nov 22, 2019 19:52:42 GMT
Was on my way to Roundhouse today and got a flat tyre so I'm currently sat (in a safe place) while I type this waiting for recovery.
Having moved in to my new place today, and being told that my breakdown cover had just run out, I'm pretty torn up about it. After such an unnecessarily stressful day (long story) I was so ready to blow some steam off with my favourite band.
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Post by gladas on Nov 22, 2019 21:50:33 GMT
Was on my way to Roundhouse today and got a flat tyre so I'm currently sat (in a safe place) while I type this waiting for recovery. Having moved in to my new place today, and being told that my breakdown cover had just run out, I'm pretty torn up about it. After such an unnecessarily stressful day (long story) I'm pretty torn up about it. Was so ready to blow some steam off with my favourite band. 😪 Man that sucks. I'm currently sat in bed, ill, missing out too. Could you go tomorrow instead? Looks like lots of tickets were available for tonight at short notice.
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Nov 22, 2019 23:46:20 GMT
I’m sorry you guys had a tough time today.
Feeder were good tonight. Same set as the recent shows. You did not miss a surprise appearance of ‘Waiting for Changes’ :-)
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Post by Tommy on Nov 23, 2019 6:50:16 GMT
Man that sucks. I'm currently sat in bed, ill, missing out too. Could you go tomorrow instead? Looks like lots of tickets were available for tonight at short notice. Thanks mate, unfortunately travel would be too pricey for me to justify at this point! I hope you feel more up to it today I’m sorry you guys had a tough time today. Feeder were good tonight. Same set as the recent shows. You did not miss a surprise appearance of ‘Waiting for Changes’ :-) It's a shame they didn't play it! Hope you had a great time nonetheless!
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Nov 23, 2019 23:55:16 GMT
Night #2 in London: regular set, plus ‘My Perfect Day’ after ‘Universe of Life’. Grant said they were going ‘off Setlist’, having rehearsed the song but not played it yet on the tour. Great crowd energy tonight.
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Post by bigospedros on Nov 25, 2019 15:57:33 GMT
Night #2 in London: regular set, plus ‘My Perfect Day’ after ‘Universe of Life’. Grant said they were going ‘off Setlist’, having rehearsed the song but not played it yet on the tour. Great crowd energy tonight. Even though it was actually listed on the setlist although not right after UOL, it was after Guillotine ... it was great to hear, whichever! They sound checked bits of MPD at Portsmouth, but alas, didn't play it till London! I have some videos to post from the Roundhouse Shows, so I'll post them up soon ... took all evening yesterday to transfer the 4K videos from the camera to my laptop. I'll need to work out if they're too big for YT though? Watch this space ...
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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Nov 25, 2019 22:37:48 GMT
There's a bit from Grant on setlists in this interview: www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/feeder-interview-rock-icons-tallulah-20938052“I am so anal about setlists,” he says. “I spend hours on it, it is a bit of an illness for me.” And even now he feels there are some songs he would like to reintroduce. This tour he has brought back Feeder classic Comfort in Sound after getting “hassled” into it by touring guitarist Tom Gleeson. My Perfect Day - from the band’s debut Polythene - was the first track to come to mind from Grant, along with reintroducing the long absent songs from their sixth album Silent Cry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 23:34:56 GMT
I had a fantastic time at the second Roundhouse show, Yes, the setlist was nothing new (outside of the 6 or 7 new songs) but the crowd were going crazy for it. I was standing just on the edge of the moshpit, and it was pretty relentless. Never thought I'd see people moshing to Kite!
The band, and Grant in particular seemed to be having a really fun time up there, probably the most fun I've ever seen them have at least. In fact they were so laid back Grant even forgot the words to Just A Day!
The only downer for me was that Daily Habit and Fear of Flying felt a bit flat live. Kite, Kyoto and Blue Sky Blue were all amazing though.
Two nights filling out the Roundhouse, good to know Feeder aren't going anywhere for a while!
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Post by fitfornothing on Nov 26, 2019 9:33:09 GMT
There's a bit from Grant on setlists in this interview: www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/feeder-interview-rock-icons-tallulah-20938052“I am so anal about setlists,” he says. “I spend hours on it, it is a bit of an illness for me.” And even now he feels there are some songs he would like to reintroduce. This tour he has brought back Feeder classic Comfort in Sound after getting “hassled” into it by touring guitarist Tom Gleeson. My Perfect Day - from the band’s debut Polythene - was the first track to come to mind from Grant, along with reintroducing the long absent songs from their sixth album Silent Cry. He also refers to now playing two hours sets, which is something they should have been doing years ago. Gives them much more scope and they seem to have hit on a sequence of two nights on, one night off on tour to rest his voice. I don't know if they will with Tallulah but with ABE they embarked on a second run of dates. They could do that and say cut the new album back to five songs leaving room to scatter a few more oldies in.
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Nov 26, 2019 11:41:06 GMT
The #1 change I want Feeder to make to their live show is starting to play to click.
I know that Grant is old-skool and doesn't like doing it. For a few years, they used click tracks to get the full orchestra parts on 'Just the Way I'm Feeling' and 'Forget About Tomorrow', and Grant was overjoyed when they added Dean to the band, dropped the tracks and moved the strings onto keyboard, but: 1. The keyboards can sound a bit thin (especially on 'Just the Way I'm Feeling') 2. Geoff Holroyde. He speeds up A LOT. The same songs start at a slightly different tempos each night, and often run away with the band. It's driving me mad.
These days, 50%+ of bands use a click to lock everyone into each other, and I think it sounds better. It doesn't kill the groove either, especially now that you can mix the click separately for each musician, so they only hear what they need to (which means, most of the time, it's just the drummer hearing it at all).
This is the one issue that's taken the edge off Feeder's live show for me since 2016. Jon Lee, Mark Richardson and Karl Brazil were/are exceptionally good drummers: precise and passionate and like machines with their timing. I think Feeder really, really need that back, and if Geoff is here to stay, I'd love them to rein this in. He's played lots of sessions for pop bands, so he will be used to it.
What do you think? Just me on this one?
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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Nov 26, 2019 20:14:26 GMT
I don't mind if the tempo changes a bit. It's not something I really notice watching live music (I remember one particular song being played too fast in my own band!). A varied tempo actually works really well for some bands, like The White Stripes. I have noticed Geoff make the odd mistake, which I never remember with Jon and Mark, but that's live music anyway.
Jon was different class, and I don't think comparisons are fair. I watched the video of Descend from Reading '97 last night. Jon's drumming is so effortless.
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Nov 27, 2019 6:49:50 GMT
A varied tempo actually works really well for some bands, like The White Stripes. I agree with that. The White Stripes are an interesting example. There were only two of them, which makes communication easier. Also, improvisation was a big part of their show, or at least going kind of 'off-road' with the material and jamming around it. And Jack was totally the bandleader. I think it's different when you've got five musicians on a big stage, playing a set that doesn't change. Muse would be a good example here, and similar to Feeder. They play everything to click. It helps them 'lock in' to each other. I have noticed Geoff make the odd mistake, which I never remember with Jon and Mark, but that's live music anyway. I agree with that too. I think I look at session players differently. It's one thing to start a band with your mates. It's another thing to hire someone in. That might be a bit harsh. He really was! I think Mark and Karl are equally good though, in their own ways. Jon's style had little elements of metal that worked so well for Feeder. In the same way, I think Feeder would sound amazing with a drummer like Ray Luzier from Korn or Jay Weinberg from Slipknot and the E Street Band. My fantasy drummer for Feeder would be Ash Soan, for what it's worth. He's a drumming legend. Check him out on YouTube if you don't know him - there are even videos of him leading masterclasses alongside Karl.
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Post by bigospedros on Nov 27, 2019 9:29:24 GMT
To be fair to Geoff, when I spoke to him after the 2nd Roundhouse gig, he was so genuine and humble ... he knows he has some big shoes to fill and given that Jon, Mark and Karl all have different styles - especially Jon - I think he's finding it quite hard to work out whether to try and emulate them or try to do his own thing. I think he should try and do the latter, because then he'll be at his most comfortable.
I'm also ok with the timing of some songs changing in the live arena ... it happens and I'd actually much rather songs played live find their own sound rather than being 100% the same as on record.
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