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Post by waiting-for-changes on Mar 13, 2022 14:32:55 GMT
...Introducing 'Buck Rogers' at last night's show.
I love the guy, but this is a dick move.
Play the song wholeheartedly or don't play it.
But don't play yet another greatest hits set, with ONE SINGLE SONG from the new album, then roll your eyes at the audience you've trained to treat you as a greatest-hits band. This situation is 20 years in the making.
Man up, Grant.
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Post by Niai on Mar 14, 2022 11:59:07 GMT
It is pretty tiring to hear him constantly whine about it. But I agree with him and nearly always have about Buck Rogers, it's not one of my favourite tunes and clearly not one of his. I would be 100% happy to hear it dropped and something else take it's place, but then again I am a hardcore fan who owns everything they've done and posts on a long dead message board, I'm not your run of the mill, majority Feeder fan who just love the 5 or so songs they're known for.
I think Grant frequently repeating himself about this during live gigs over such a long time is testament that this is honestly how he feels about the track and subsequently how trapped he is by it. Plus he's constantly gauging the audience, seeing if they agree with him. If he actually got a unanimous positive reaction from the crowd about his opinion he seriously might consider actually dropping it. But because he doesn't, his passive aggressive threat about not playing it on the upcoming tour is a load of balls unfortunately - of course he'll have to play it through gritted teeth.
Shame really, because Feeder gigs could be so much more interesting with the wealth of quality songs he's written over the years.
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Mar 14, 2022 13:09:00 GMT
I agree.
It's a shame that the critical mass of their set is 20 years old.
But the worst part for me is not that they've let themselves become a singles band. It's that they've let themselves become a handful of singles band.
I just checked setlist.fm to see when they last played each song on the Best Of.
There are tracks that come in and out of the set, like 'Pushing the Senses' and 'Borders'. And the Best Of tour briefly resurrected some deep cuts, like 'Stereo World' and, for one night only, 'Forget About Tomorrow'.
But the rest?
Last played in: 2018 (4 years ago): Another Day on Earth, Down to the River 2017 (5 years): Paperweight 2013 (9 years): Idaho 2012 (10 years): Tumble and Fall 2009 (11 years): We Are the People 2006 (16 years): Save Us 2003 (19 years): Find the Colour 2002 (20 years): Day In Day Out 2001 (21 years): Crash 1999 (23 years): Paperfaces 1998 (24 years): Suffocate
No one can change that situation but Grant. But, like you say, he won't.
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Post by siderman on Mar 14, 2022 16:27:58 GMT
hey everyone, hope everyone is well..... I haven't posted for a good while but this is an unfortunate thing that Grant has done never-the-less i can't blame him. i haven't been to a feeder gig for nearly 10 years as i felt the band were far far FAR too focussed on the singles more than new album material BUT i do regret not going to their last album tour when they brought out some absolute gems and good album tracks. I did go to his solo shows which were brilliant and a pleasant change from the norm.
I am not going to speculate if what Grant feels is a can of worms (which was a little behind his rant there), Radio-play has been non-existent near-abouts for the new album which i find a crying shame as i am loving the rifts and positive feel of the new tunes but seems certain radio stations find feeder too heavy (as per usual for the last 15 years) furthermore along with the new muse, stereophonics and liam gallagher stuff, it does feel feeder has been pushed to one side unless i'm very much reading too much between the lines.....?? and maybe hes just getting frustrated with the band being hidden behind the main hits whereas the best of feeder has been stuff that hasn't been the big hits IMHO.
Bring on the new album which i cant afford at the moment due to expensive Dental root canal repairs but will get it on my apple stream account and enjoy then buy it next month!
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Post by Bixer on Mar 15, 2022 11:19:14 GMT
Yeah bit of a shame to see this. Albeit not quite as lengthy, he gave the song a similar introduction when I last saw them way back in November 2019, so he's clearly been harboring this resentment for a long, long time.
Honestly just dropping it and dealing with the 'backlash' would be better than playing it as half-arsed as he does at the moment.
Feeder don't strike me as the kind of band who amass a large number of new fans with every album, everyone seeing them on this upcoming tour has probably already seen them before at some point, I don't think there'd be that many people now that are only there for Buck Rogers?
I've seen Radiohead when they didn't play Creep, I've seen Queens of the Stone Age when they didn't play No One Knows, I don't think it'd be as big a deal as Grant is scared of.
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Mar 15, 2022 13:40:41 GMT
Yeah, I agree. Nirvana dropped 'Teen Spirit' too and they did fine.
It feels like Grant's come close to dropping 'Buck Rogers' a few times, or at least given himself a creative 'out', first with the Renegades club gigs in 2010, then with the solo stuff in 2014-2015. But both times, he bottled it. If he'd held his nerve back in 2010, 'Buck Rogers' could have been dead for over 10 years now, turning up in magazine articles about 'famous songs bands don't play live anymore', alongside songs like 'Creep'.
At the least, 'Buck Rogers' could be played earlier in the set, so every gig didn't build towards the same inevitable and self-reinforcing ending.
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Post by ISDL29 on Mar 15, 2022 23:24:36 GMT
They could always give Buck Rogers a different tweak each time they play it (custom bridge, start and ending) to give Grant some room for creativity. At this point BR has become some sort of tradition for the fans. If the new fans know Feeder because of BR, let them enjoy that song on gigs.
If Feeder want to be known for more songs, why not introducing them to the fans? I bet many of them they would be surprised if they played some of their less known B(est)-sides or even album tunes. They would even think they are new songs XD.
Also it's curious Grant doesn't seem to have this issue with JAD. Thank god it isn't the case (yet), since it's my favorite one XD.
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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Mar 19, 2022 12:24:26 GMT
Grant has said on many occasions he gets stressed about setlists, and it's just one of those things. Sometimes I wish Feeder were a bit more like some of my other favourites who throw all sorts of random stuff into setlists, but they're not and are still my favourite band. For any James fans (or music fans in general), this podcast is an interesting listen, and I like Tim Booth's approach to setlists (amongst other things, they often judge the mood in the news/town/city on a day and throw in tracks they haven't rehearsed to keep them on edge): www.songsommelier.com/art-of-longevity-jamesGrant was on the podcast recently too: www.songsommelier.com/art-of-longevity-feeder - as were Sea Power actually (my other favourite band who mix up setlists): www.songsommelier.com/art-of-longevity-sea-powerWe got most of Tallulah on the last tour and Feeder are a band that play tracks from new albums, which I always appreciate. I saw The Coral recently and they only played 2 songs from their new album, which I found hugely disappointing. With the recent smaller gigs, I would guess there hasn't been the opportunity to rehearse many new songs. The band has to be paid from Feeder's coffers (which lost out on a whole tour and festivals over the pandemic), and the rest of the band have other commitments meaning rehearsal time isn't always possible.
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Mar 19, 2022 14:23:56 GMT
We got most of Tallulah on the last tour and Feeder are a band that play tracks from new albums, which I always appreciate. I saw The Coral recently and they only played 2 songs from their new album, which I found hugely disappointing. Amen to that. It'd just be great to know that within the structure of "6 or 7 songs from [insert new album] plus hit singles", there might be a bit more variety in the singles. They've got loads. Will definitely check out those podcasts!
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Post by fitfornothing on Mar 22, 2022 21:31:32 GMT
I was just wondering when I got the new album whether this board was still here and yep, good to see it is.
Buck Rogers... yeah would love to see it go or as has been said play it earlier. They were playing it somewhere in the middle for years.
But also lets not end with Just A Day, perhaps to end the set but not the encore.
And if the casual fans are just coming for 4-5 tracks then drop some of the others that appear practically nailed on for every tour. Mix it up.
There's so much classic Feeder I want to hear again alongside their new music and so little time. Time that decreases with every tour...
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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Apr 6, 2022 20:07:44 GMT
I think Feeling A Moment would be a good uplifting song to end on. Though with the likelihood of the next tour featuring lots of heavier tracks, perhaps it'll be needed to break up the set a bit!
As for Buck Rogers, I love it still and I'm happy for it to be in the set forever. There are maybe 5 or 6 Feeder tracks you could consider 'must plays' due to their popularity. Add 6-8 new tracks, and that still leaves at least 7 other tracks to fill the set.
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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Apr 15, 2022 22:56:04 GMT
I like Ian Broudie's take on what was a popular song for the Lightning Seeds when talking about producing Dreaming of You by The Coral who didn't want to record it at first: "It’s easy to be scared of a song like this. I had the same with Pure, the Lightning Seeds’ debut single in 1989. I had fought hard for that not to be released. But it saved my life, in many ways. That’s probably why I was so sure they should include Dreaming of You on the album. If we’d done our debut album without Pure, it would’ve been a very different life for me. I think Dreaming of You is as important to the Coral, the pivot on which their career turned." www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/mar/21/denise-van-outen-coral-on-how-we-made-dreaming-of-you
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Post by fitfornothing on Apr 19, 2022 18:10:02 GMT
To me the problem is there's currently 9 apparent 'must plays' - Lost & Found, Feeling a Moment, Just the Way I'm Feeling, Come Back Around, Insomnia, High, Seven Days in the Sun, Buck Rogers, Just a Day. Too many!
Which on the last tour once you'd put in the new tracks left only room for 6 more. 3 of which came from recent releases - Figure You Out, Universe of Life, Eskimo and 3 from way back - Comfort in Sound, Turn, Yesterday Went Too Soon
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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Apr 19, 2022 21:39:19 GMT
Out of that lot, I definitely think Lost & Found, Insomnia and 7DITS can be dropped, even though the latter are 2 of my favourites. I understand why Come Back Around is a regular given it was the comeback single after Jon.
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Apr 20, 2022 9:23:41 GMT
I just don't accept the idea of "must plays". Or at least, the idea that any individual song is a "must play". It's gotta be about the balance. When I saw Cyndi Lauper, she played "True Colours" and "Time After Time", but not "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun". When I saw Radiohead, they played "Just" and "Paranoid Android", but not "Creep". If we're trying to find a healthier place on the spectrum between being so aloof that you alienate the fair-weather fans and so slavish that you end up feeling resentful, maybe each night Feeder could play: - Two out of three of "Just the Way I'm Feeling", "Feeling a Moment" and "High"
- "Buck Rogers" or "Seven Days in the Sun"
It doesn't have to be every hit, every night.
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Post by Bixer on Apr 24, 2022 8:28:35 GMT
Amazingly it looks like they actually dropped Just a Day last night…
I really, really hope that’s not a common trend for the tour.
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Post by fitfornothing on Apr 24, 2022 12:03:41 GMT
Well, for me, they can drop what they like if they're going to play a set like that. If it's correct. Four tracks I certainly didn't expect to see played and only four 'must plays'.
I'm guessing they ran out of time for Just A Day but then you'd have though they'd have played that rather than Buck Rogers given G's previous threats to drop it. Perhaps they had a 'vote'.
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