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Post by Stu on Jul 23, 2017 20:11:30 GMT
I gotta say, I’m feeling a bit bummed out over the Best Of. For two reasons: firstly, that there’s no option to buy ‘Arrow’ on its own. Feeder must be at the point in their career where they’re not picking up many new fans, so surely most of us already own the other tracks, and probably on more than one format. I don’t want to buy the old stuff again just to hear the new stuff. I might feel differently if they’d done what they did with the singles collection in 2006, where they sprinkled a few new tracks in amongst the old. But it seems mean-spirited to say ‘This is a new album – a separate body of work with its own title – but you can only have it if you also buy something you don't want’. this is quite frankly ridiculous! First and foremost, this is a compilation aimed at celebrating their 21 year history of releasing albums. They didn't actually have to put anything new on it at all. They could've just put say 3 new songs on it, like they did for The Singles ... but no, they've given us 9 ... yes NINE new songs! That is astoundingly generous. So you have to buy 2 other CDs that you might never listen to get those new songs? Big deal ... It's hardly ridiculous - I felt the same way. Saying 9 new songs is 'astoundingly generous' is astoundingly generous. If you have a new album to release just release a new album. And if it's a compilation aimed at 'celebrating their 21 year history of releasing albums', why is it just another singles collection? Fair enough the 3CD set isn't particularly expensive, but if you prefer to buy albums on vinyl you're getting rinsed for 3 LPs that you don't really need. Having said that, given how 'rarities' are still selling for absurd prices on eBay I'm sure they'll have no difficulty shifting all this stuff. £100 for a vinyl test pressing and it's long since sold out... I just don't get it. On a positive note Figure You Out is great.
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Post by jo234 on Jul 23, 2017 21:19:57 GMT
Can't explain Call Out being totally missed off ... but does it really matter? Nearly totally missed off, as stated before .
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Post by bigospedros on Jul 24, 2017 8:31:48 GMT
Urgh ... as they always say, you cannot please everyone all of the time. No matter what the band do, someone will find something to complain about.
I hope, for your sake, the tracks from Arrow are available on their own digitally and you can just buy it there ... but then some will probably cry about how they don't like downloads!
From what I've heard, G was asked for a few songs to put on this album and just got in a groove and created the 9 songs. Would you have preferred just 2 or 3 on this compilation and the rest were saved for another year or more?
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Post by Stu on Jul 24, 2017 10:22:34 GMT
Urgh ... as they always say, you cannot please everyone all of the time. No matter what the band do, someone will find something to complain about. I hope, for your sake, the tracks from Arrow are available on their own digitally and you can just buy it there ... but then some will probably cry about how they don't like downloads! From what I've heard, G was asked for a few songs to put on this album and just got in a groove and created the 9 songs. Would you have preferred just 2 or 3 on this compilation and the rest were saved for another year or more? Come on, asking nonsense questions like 'would you have preferred 2 or 3 songs instead of 9?' isn't fair. You know full well I'll buy the CDs just like I've bought everything else. I thought the band were doing their own thing now? If he was 'asked for a few songs to put on this album' it sounds like he had no say in it being released at all, in which case why would you care if I or anyone else complains about a cash-in release that was essentially put together by the record company?
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Post by starfish on Jul 24, 2017 12:37:07 GMT
Whilst I'm okay with the set (I have, after all, pre-ordered all the formats including the test pressing), I can totally see where Stu and waitingforchanges are coming from. We can't all like the same thing, and one man's 'fantastic package' is another man's 'cynical cash grab'.
While I'm all in favour of this release personally, I also think it's perfectly reasonable to lament the fact that you have to buy a (somewhat superfluous, perhaps) compilation in order to get the 'Arrow' album.
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Jul 24, 2017 13:20:58 GMT
While I'm all in favour of this release personally, I also think it's perfectly reasonable to lament the fact that you have to buy a (somewhat superfluous, perhaps) compilation in order to get the 'Arrow' album. Thanks. I guess for me it speaks to deeper concerns I have around two areas: 1. staying on the right side of a static (or dwindling) fanbase – which means varying the shows, honouring your own Facebook votes, etc., and 2. avoiding piracy – We all know that every song goes online the day it's released. It feels like industries are learning the lessons of piracy. Movie and TV studios have realised that releasing movies and TV shows at the same time around the world helps cut piracy. Streaming platforms have realised that making an album a 'Tidal exclusive', for example, doesn't make people pay to join Tidal when they're already paying for Spotify, it just makes them feel they're entitled to steal it. Which is wrong. I love how Feeder are making beautiful, memento-quality packages in pretty much every format you could want. But making what they're calling a new album available on its own for a fair price seems like a smart move. That said, I'll concede that it might be a problem of psychology, specifically how something is framed. If they'd said instead, "We've got a new album, it's called Arrow and it's yours for £15 PLUS you get two bonus CDs of all our greatest hits so you can give them to your friends to get them excited about Feeder too!", I'd think "What a brilliant idea". People are weird
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Post by fitfornothing on Jul 24, 2017 15:02:12 GMT
This is pretty much agree with ... they are stuck in a rut when it comes to set list choices and have been for years. There should be plenty of room in a set list full of hit singles to throw in 2 or 3 lesser played songs - with those songs being mixed up per tour or whatever. They really do have no excuse nowadays, especially as they have an extra guitarist. The Homecoming show is the PERFECT opportunity to do this - they know the crowd will be with them whatever they play, that's what the show is all about. The Best Of should encourage them to play songs they haven't in ages. Will they actually do so? I doubt it and that actually brings me great sadness. Totally agree. I am a huge fan from almost the beginning and yet, so far, I have totally shunned 'The Homecoming' partly because it's a long way for me to go. Although that's not the main issue, the main issue is it's a long way to go to hear the same set list again and I'd rather wait for the next tour. I think we can now assume that 'Figure You Out' will be played at the expense of something from ABE but will anything else be added. Doubt it. Suppose fan pressure got Shatter and Turn back on the last tour, while S16 is getting played more often but it's real baby steps. It's a great shame that the band can't inspire me to go to this or perhaps I'm just not a huge fan after all. Now if G was to announce that Feeder have decided to support themselves at this and play a short eight song set of songs they haven't played live in the last ten years... now, where did I put my credit card?
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Post by bigospedros on Jul 25, 2017 8:09:01 GMT
Come on, asking nonsense questions like 'would you have preferred 2 or 3 songs instead of 9?' isn't fair. You know full well I'll buy the CDs just like I've bought everything else. I thought the band were doing their own thing now? If he was 'asked for a few songs to put on this album' it sounds like he had no say in it being released at all, in which case why would you care if I or anyone else complains about a cash-in release that was essentially put together by the record company? The band still has management and they work with the band on all projects ... it was a joint idea to do this. The band have been involved all the way ... nothing gets out without them being happy. I'm just happy to be getting 9 new songs and I am looking forward to seeing what we get in this accompanying booklet.
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Post by bigospedros on Jul 25, 2017 8:11:06 GMT
That said, I'll concede that it might be a problem of psychology, specifically how something is framed. If they'd said instead, "We've got a new album, it's called Arrow and it's yours for £15 PLUS you get two bonus CDs of all our greatest hits so you can give them to your friends to get them excited about Feeder too!", I'd think "What a brilliant idea". People are weird hahaha ... you should work in marketing ...
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Post by Stu on Jul 25, 2017 13:26:17 GMT
The band still has management and they work with the band on all projects ... it was a joint idea to do this. The band have been involved all the way ... nothing gets out without them being happy. Well if the band really did decide the tracklist it's a real shame they don't consider any non-singles to be among their best material. Goes a long way to explain the dreary setlist selection process though I suppose.
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Post by bigospedros on Jul 25, 2017 14:47:39 GMT
Yeah, true ... again, I think they are going with the "appeal to the masses" angle, not appeal to the hardcore. The casual fan is more likely to know the singles than they are any album or b-side.
Plus, of course, my "Best of" would probably be different to your "Best of" and the next persons "Best of" ...
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Post by Stu on Jul 25, 2017 17:37:52 GMT
Plus, of course, my "Best of" would probably be different to your "Best of" and the next persons "Best of" ... Right, but unless you've never heard any album tracks it's pretty unlikely you would fill 2 CDs with nothing but singles if you had to choose.
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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Jul 25, 2017 18:06:21 GMT
Now if G was to announce that Feeder have decided to support themselves at this and play a short eight song set of songs they haven't played live in the last ten years... now, where did I put my credit card? That would be amazing, and maybe the hour between first support and main slot would give Grant's voice enough rest? Feeder for 30 mins - main support - Feeder full set. Another of my favourite bands did that and it was awesome! And another played 5 sets ('acoustic', covers (Pink Floyd one year and various the next), latest album in full, general set, Christmas songs) with support in between. It started at 4pm and finished around 10pm - they must have played for 4 hours or more in total.
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Jul 25, 2017 19:41:26 GMT
[/quote]Feeder for 30 mins - main support - Feeder full set. Another of my favourite bands did that and it was awesome! And another played 5 sets ('acoustic', covers (Pink Floyd one year and various the next), latest album in full, general set, Christmas songs) with support in between.[/quote]
That sounds amazing. I'm seeing The Magnetic Fields in September. They've got a new album that's 50 songs, one for each year of the singer's life. They're doing two nights, 25 songs per night in order. I like that: it means you've got to be proud of all 50 songs. No filler. Nowhere to hide.
On a more positive note – and to bring the conversation back to the topic of 'best of's – I'd love to hear Grant's thoughts on what the best of Feeder means to him.
A few years ago, another band I like put out two 'best of' albums: the singles collection and a separate disc of their favourite songs, putting aside commercial performance. It was fascinating. There were a few surprises and obscure collaborations, but loads of singles too. I guess that provocation – the best of you – can be anything: famous firsts (the song that reminds you of the first time you nailed your sound, the first song you recorded in a famous studio); songs you still love playing live; songs you hold up as examples of how you've grown as a songwriter; songs with a particular lyric or melody that still moves you. Anything. Your own personal history of the band, as the person at its centre.
I'd love to see Feeder do that. It could be as simple as a blog post and a Spotify playlist – two hours work on a Sunday morning. It'd be fascinating to see where it diverged and where it dovetailed with a singles collection.
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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Jul 25, 2017 19:57:15 GMT
waiting-for-changes - I heard about the latest Magnetic Fields album. I used to have 69 Love Songs, but I found it too long to get into. I do like full album shows, though they are predictable for obvious reasons. My preference would be to see the albums played in full, but not in order (e.g. if Feeder do Polythene (and YWTS), which I hope they do). I'm looking forward to My Vitriol playing Finelines and Between the Lines over two consecutive nights later in the year, but that's in order as far as I know. Trail of Dead are supporting, playing a different album in full each night. That Best Of sounds like a great idea - the band who did the five sets released something similar, though they're not really a singles band. And the other reworked some old songs with brass rearrangements, and it was interesting to see what they picked. I think it's Vice that asks a member of bands with at least 6 or 7 albums to rank their own albums in order, and talk about them. I suggested Feeder for this last year, but unfortunately the editor wasn't a fan. It's fascinating to see, and read the reasons behind - as it's not always the albums they think are the best musically (or were the most successful commercially) that come out on top.
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Post by unfinisheddrawings on Aug 3, 2017 13:08:07 GMT
Don't know if this has already been noticed, but Amazon have an album cover with a sticker on - it seems that Walk Away will be the next single after Veins. Booklet will also include sleevenotes and interviews. Interesting!
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Post by johnsimmons24 on Aug 4, 2017 8:40:46 GMT
Don't know if this has already been noticed, but Amazon have an album cover with a sticker on - it seems that Walk Away will be the next single after Veins. Good spot!
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Post by takatakataka on Aug 24, 2017 14:21:24 GMT
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Post by gladas on Aug 24, 2017 14:45:06 GMT
Excellent use of degenerate
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Post by waiting-for-changes on Aug 26, 2017 15:43:00 GMT
I have no doubt that the Chepstow show will be the regular set with, maybe, ‘Figure You Out’ thrown in.
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