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Post by chris88 on Nov 9, 2007 11:19:59 GMT
What a fucking rip-off! This time last monday I would have paid 96.9p per litre for some unleaded. Yesterday I paid 99.9p per litre. I needed some petrol in my car desparately, i was practically running on fumes, there's 4 petrol stations nearby the prices per litre (for Unleaded) were as follows: Total (Annfield Plain) = 102.9p Total (Consett) = 100.9 Tesco (Delves Lane - un-manned) 101.9p Morrisons (Consett) = 99.9p Aparently the goverment wants to add ANOTHER 2p per litre tax onto it... What the fuck?!?! we're already paying WELL over 75-80% of our petrol in TAX! look here for proof: www.petrolprices.com/fuel-tax.htmlHow come other world governments can charge much less Tax and VAT on everything and still run their countries without a problem, yet ours MUST give us really high tax for everything and STILL feel the need to raise it more. Another thing that really pisses me off is Americans, infact, anybody living outside the UK (but mainly Americans) complaining that their petrol prices are high. We are paying between 2 and 3(!!!) times more than Americans are for unleaded petrol. I'm a member of the Live for Speed forum, post there a fair bit too, and quite often it's Americans who bring up the subject of high petrol prices. I just list these things to them: - Petrol = 2-3x more in the UK compared to US - Insurance = well over £1500 for ANY new driver having their own insurance policy WITH a small 1.0-1.3l car. - Cars = 2-3x more expensive - Road Tax - Car parts for repairs more expensive (incl tyres) - MOTs Just the first 2 things on that list usually shuts them up. fucking greedy fucking government...
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Post by manoverboard on Nov 9, 2007 11:58:51 GMT
Two weeks ago my local petrol stations were like this: Texaco, Church Lane - 101.9p (now 104.9p) BP, Blackbird Hill - 100.9p (now 103.9p) Tescos, Brent Park - 100.9p (now 103.9p) Morrisons, Honeypot Lane - 98.9p (now 100.9p)
In uni area: Total, Bishop's Rise - 98.9p (now 100.9p)
It seems cheaper in the rural areas, like around uni. Check this out: A small village next to St. Albans, when I was on my way to work from Hatfield (where uni is). Shell, Smallford Village - 95.9p (now 97.9p)
Relatively cheap, for me, being a city guy. I'd be half tempted to go there for my petrol if it wasn't 20 miles away. I don't know any Shell places near me.
It's annoying because it wasn't that long ago where I was getting 95.9p (cheap for me) in my local stations. The worse thing is, I'm fucked without my car, so I need petrol.
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Post by homeforsummer on Nov 9, 2007 12:45:13 GMT
Think it's only 98p roughly in Harrogate at the mo. What the Americans don't tell you is that the HIGHEST octane rating they get is 91 (the lowest is 87, which is about the equivalent of 3-star petrol that the UK used to get in the 70s), which means they basically get pretty unrefined petrol which also releases more hydrocarbons because it doesn't burn as cleanly. The higest in the UK is now 102 or something. I'm sure if we got shite fuel like the Yanks then we'd pay less for it. Also, if you've seen the news recently you'd have seen the price of crude oil has gone up to around $100 a barrel, so petrol prices were going to go up anyway. Nowt we can do about it really. Just try not to drive as much if it's too expensive. Any journeys less than about a mile and a half I walk. Can walk a mile in 15 mins so it's no biggie.
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Post by Stacey on Nov 9, 2007 12:49:17 GMT
Think it's only 98p roughly in Harrogate at the mo. Thats about what it is near me i think, although i'm currently driving a company car which runs on diesel so i'm not really taking much notice of petrol at the moment.
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Post by chris88 on Nov 9, 2007 12:51:15 GMT
Also, if you've seen the news recently you'd have seen the price of crude oil has gone up to around $100 a barrel, so petrol prices were going to go up anyway. crude oil price doesn't have any impact on the amount of tax we have to pay, it will always be 75-80% tax on petrol. Greedy fuckers our government are.
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Post by homeforsummer on Nov 9, 2007 12:54:35 GMT
They are indeed greedy, but the couple of pence rise in the past few days is to do with the price of crude oil.
I wouldn't mind paying so much for petrol if they abolished road tax - taxing petrol is more fair than just a random tax - the more you drive, the more you get taxed, simple as that. God knows why they don't acknowledge that.
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Post by SanSiroBird on Nov 9, 2007 12:55:12 GMT
We have the same problem in Italy...
That's why I'm happy with my motoscooter for now. I spend about 4£ per week to do 20/25 Km every day.
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Post by homeforsummer on Nov 9, 2007 13:06:38 GMT
That's one reason I'm doing my motorcycle test next year... start off on a Honda 125cc... 90mpg (3.1l/100km) here I come! Worked out I'd save around £200 on petrol every year, about £100 on tax and over £100 on insurance
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Post by Stacey on Nov 9, 2007 13:07:58 GMT
I wouldn't mind paying so much for petrol if they abolished road tax - taxing petrol is more fair than just a random tax - the more you drive, the more you get taxed, simple as that. God knows why they don't acknowledge that. I couldn't agree with you more. Me and dad were actually discussing this point a couple of days ago.
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Post by manoverboard on Nov 9, 2007 14:36:53 GMT
It's probably worth mentioning that I drive 60 miles a day, filling up once every... 4 or 5 days. Not fun on my wallet.
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Post by bigospedros on Nov 9, 2007 14:40:22 GMT
i think I would rather have all of the services that tax goes to pay for than worry about fuel prices. Plus, if they remove tax from fuel, they'd have to get it elsewhere ... you can't get away with a £25b hole in our budget.
We could all reduce our outlays by driving less afterall and given that petrol / diesel is only going to become scarcer, the price isn't going to come down.
I quite like the idea of a pay as you go scheme for Road Tax though ...
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Post by homeforsummer on Nov 9, 2007 15:04:55 GMT
It's probably worth mentioning that I drive 60 miles a day, filling up once every... 4 or 5 days. Not fun on my wallet. But you have to agree that paying tax on fuel is more fair than a random charge (i.e. road tax) once a year. It taxes the people who use the cars and not the people who don't really use them. We could all reduce our outlays by driving less afterall and given that petrol / diesel is only going to become scarcer, the price isn't going to come down. The man talks sense I love driving but obviously if I do a lot of it it's gonna be expensive. The solution: Not driving as much! No no no no, there's no point in pay as you go road tax, may as well just tax fuel that bit more, it's the fairest way. You pay more in exact correlation of how much you drive and how economical your car is, it can't get fairer than that. With pay as you go, there are always going to be grey areas, such as a very economical car and a very thirsty one being charged the same tax each year for the same distance - where is the fairness in that? Plus if you charge tax on fuel then it'll teach people not to waste it so much. My pet hates: Stupid old people keeping it in too low a gear or revving the nuts off their car, van drivers sitting outside a building for an hour with the engine running for no reason, chavs racing around or accelerating hard between sets of red lights when it won't get them anywhere any quicker... the list goes on. If you drive properly then petrol isn't as bad as it seems anyway... [/rant]
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Post by manoverboard on Nov 9, 2007 15:15:06 GMT
It's probably worth mentioning that I drive 60 miles a day, filling up once every... 4 or 5 days. Not fun on my wallet. But you have to agree that paying tax on fuel is more fair than a random charge (i.e. road tax) once a year. It taxes the people who use the cars and not the people who don't really use them. I do agree, most definitely. I wasn't disagreeing, I was just whinging.
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Post by Chloe on Nov 9, 2007 16:21:21 GMT
just to add my two-pennys worth (as a non-car driver ) - would help if we had a better public transport system - people aren't going to drive less if there's no viable alternative.
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Post by Stacey on Nov 9, 2007 16:34:11 GMT
Just driven past two nearest stations: Shell - 98.9 Texaco - 99.9 We use texaco because it's nearer and the diesel is 102.8 for both places. That's one reason I'm doing my motorcycle test next year... start off on a Honda 125cc... 90mpg (3.1l/100km) here I come! Worked out I'd save around £200 on petrol every year, about £100 on tax and over £100 on insurance I've actually been thinking about doing my motorcycle test as well...obviously it would have to wait until i'm in a better financial position but i'm seriously considering it.
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Post by Chloe on Nov 9, 2007 16:43:26 GMT
ooooooooooooooooo bagsy shotgun
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Post by homeforsummer on Nov 9, 2007 17:00:47 GMT
I've actually been thinking about doing my motorcycle test as well...obviously it would have to wait until i'm in a better financial position but i'm seriously considering it Do it before October next year - it gets harder and more expensive then.
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Post by Stacey on Nov 9, 2007 17:09:35 GMT
The chances of me being able to afford it by then are incredibly slim.
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Post by homeforsummer on Nov 9, 2007 17:27:15 GMT
It won't be much more expensive by then, it'll just be a little more thorough than now so probably more expensive. And in relation to driving still bloody cheap! I'm gonna do mine in late Jan early Feb.
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Post by bigospedros on Nov 9, 2007 21:45:02 GMT
No no no no, there's no point in pay as you go road tax, may as well just tax fuel that bit more, it's the fairest way. You pay more in exact correlation of how much you drive and how economical your car is, it can't get fairer than that. With pay as you go, there are always going to be grey areas, such as a very economical car and a very thirsty one being charged the same tax each year for the same distance - where is the fairness in that? Plus if you charge tax on fuel then it'll teach people not to waste it so much. My pet hates: Stupid old people keeping it in too low a gear or revving the nuts off their car, van drivers sitting outside a building for an hour with the engine running for no reason, chavs racing around or accelerating hard between sets of red lights when it won't get them anywhere any quicker... the list goes on. If you drive properly then petrol isn't as bad as it seems anyway... [/rant] oops, I worded it badly ... I was basically agreeing with what you'd said originally. I meant they could add the tax to fuel in place of road tax and therefore it would be pay as you go. I realise that they've mooted the other form of pay as you go via a black box tracker in your car ... so obviously a poor choice of words by me. I'm not sure I'd like that kind of scheme ... bit worried about being tracked all the time as well as the other points you mention. If I had the money, I'd defo change my car for a much more fuel efficient one.
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