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Post by Tommy on Dec 10, 2011 13:50:09 GMT
Hopefully Daemon is better than Brazil. What is the position on the drummer? I never liked Karl.
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Post by peterbroughfeeder on Dec 10, 2011 14:58:26 GMT
I can't believe that on the Feeder Facebook people are slagging off the album title, when it's the music on the record that matters. It's like they want to moan about something just for the fun of it.
Although I was not too impressed with "Borders" when I first heard it, listening to the live videos on YouTube I now like it a lot more.
"Renegades" to me is a really good album, nothing wrong with it if you ignore the fact it's too short in comparison to previous albums. I suppose Feeder wanted to make the album simple with no messing around so kept the average track length to below 3 mins.
I don't think "Generation Freakshow" will be a compilation of left-over "Renegades" songs with a few new ones. They've spent ages in the studio on this album, which makes me think they'll relegate the "Renegades" leftovers to b-sides.
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Post by Potroque on Dec 10, 2011 16:35:15 GMT
Here's hoping for a bit more of an indie approach.
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Post by bigospedros on Dec 10, 2011 18:32:37 GMT
Touring long before album-release is also something that I don't like. That took the fun out of Renegades as an album when almost every track was played before we got the album. So don't go to the shows before the album ? Anyway, Feeder have always done a few dates in advance of an album release. They like to play the songs live, test them out and generally just get over the claustrophobia of being cooped up in a studio. Plus, it's only 4 dates! I thought Karl was a great drummer for the chaps ... he has more of the subtlty that Jon had. Something which Mark did not, he is a power drummer. Don't understand this ... every album has a slightly different sound to me. Renegades was just as enjoyable as the rest, but for different reasons. Hopefully Daemon is better than Brazil. What is the position on the drummer? I never liked Karl. Feeder are officially a two piece ... so that means, I suspect, they'll get whoever they need to drum when they need to play live or record. Don't know who drummed on this album ...
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Post by peterbroughfeeder on Dec 10, 2011 19:26:32 GMT
I think "Renegades" is a really good album because it's different and very much unlike anything they've done before. Great fun to play live I guess and has one of their best songs ever on it being "Down To The River".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2011 21:23:50 GMT
I agree with Pete, I really like Karl as a drummer.
The drum track on This Town for example, is amazing. He seemed to fit in with the band so well too.
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Post by peterbroughfeeder on Dec 11, 2011 0:05:45 GMT
The way he bangs away at the drums during "This Town" is brilliant, although the way he was getting into it while performing "Tangerine" at Birmingham as part of the debut Renegades tour is his best single performance yet.
Damon's a great guy and drummer too. Met him after the Scumbridge Junction gig.
IOW festival I love to go to, but is quote a bit of money for me :-(
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Post by Feederpark on Dec 11, 2011 1:18:13 GMT
Honestly, I'm not that excited too... I'm not really fond of Side by side and the YouTube videos of Borders, and I hope they are not the reflect of this new album. Wait and see !
Renegades had some really good songs, the title track is one of the best things they made since Pushing the senses, but the production is te-rri-ble. Songs like Home or This Town, which sound GREAT live, are the weakest songs on the record. The guitar parts are definitely not Grant's best ones. They could have done much better I think.
And for the drummer, I'm not an expert, but Karl's style is working well, isn't it ? Damon was really energic and he reminds me Mark, who would have been terrific on an album like Renegades. Anyway, as long as the drummer is competent, that's ok for me!
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Post by Tommy on Dec 11, 2011 1:37:48 GMT
Karl is a great drummer, but I prefer the presence of Mark and Damon. Karl should stick to pure pop artists imo. I would be more than happy to hear that Damon is made permanent, I also met him and really is a great guy.
I partly didn't like Karl because he was, I think, only there for part of the last tour, because there was a clash as James Blunt was on tour. He wasn't completely dedicated to Feeder.
For me, Renegades was the worst era, the production and lyrics were consistently awful. [/angryrant]
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Post by Ogalosh on Dec 11, 2011 5:02:44 GMT
I wish feeder would do more stuff like broken and redemption. They used to be a bit more experimental.
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Post by bigospedros on Dec 11, 2011 9:21:00 GMT
I think you have to put yourself in Karl's shoes ... when you see him perform with Feeder and then compare it to James Blunt or someone like that I think it's obvious where he's having more fun. However, think of the pay he'd get from both ... I think that's obvious too.
Karl could drum with power but also with finese ... I didn't see that from Damon, he was basically a power drummer like Mark. Again, that's not a bad thing, it really fits some songs, but Jon was all about little nuances and Karl is the only person that has come even slightly close to replicating that.
At the end of the day, Feeder will make songs about how they are feeling / what they are experiencing / what is exciting them at the time of writing and recording. I don't think they particuarly plan an albums feel or style ... it'll grow naturally.
I can't wait to see what this era in the band's history brings. I'll approach it with an open mind and open ears. No preconceptions. No expectations of this era sounding like a previous one. I can't wait to hear the b-sides on Borders and indeed the title track! I am also excited to hear what the album will bring ... they've not disappointed me yet!
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Post by peterbroughfeeder on Dec 11, 2011 12:12:51 GMT
Indeed, Feeder have enver disappointed me either and have always been open to the fact that bands need to change their sound and approach from album to album. They can't keep recording album after album that sounds like "Polythene" for the rest of their career.
Every time a new album era is about to start, I always get excited wondering what the songs will sound like and the lyrical approach they'll have.
Who knows, I might even break my duck of one Feeder gig per year since 2001 if this album blows me away more than the others!.
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Post by wikne on Dec 11, 2011 12:45:55 GMT
So don't go to the shows before the album ? Anyway, Feeder have always done a few dates in advance of an album release. They like to play the songs live, test them out and generally just get over the claustrophobia of being cooped up in a studio. Plus, it's only 4 dates! As a fan I know this too, and completely understand that and have really no problems with that at all. My problem is that it is impossible for me to stay away from youtube in the long run:P Knowing it's there, I am definitely not able to keep away when the wait is so long as to the end of March hehe:P He is good, by all means. But he is as mentioned a bit to pop and tends to fall trough on some of the tracks in my opinion, but then again he is brilliant on others. Also the fact that there were at least 2 drummers with trotter and brazil recording on renegades was a bit obvious sound-wise, and I just felt that it had an impact on my perception of the album as a hole. I definitely agree with that and that is not my point. I was referring to the build up of individual tracks, his style when it comes to that. I feel that either it turns to gold or it gets a bit to repetitive and predictable if the song isn't good enough to use repetition etc to the extent that some songs on renegades did. hence my comment on lyrics etc. On Renegades I felt like a lot of the songs were build up in the same way, and that he did not use enough variety as such, which he normally does brilliantly. I had an impression of daemon doing some tracks, though i had read that somewhere but probably there will bee several drummers on this album as well. I do like Renegades, but it's not my fav, but it seems more like a compilation of songs that work best live to me. Perhaps they should have gone for a bit more raw live sound and less studio polish? i don't know how that would sound but i suppose they made in it the best way possible . I'm with you on that one! I will probably be well exited by March anyways, hopefully th downloads will do well for my hunger for some new material I seemed to have f. up the quotes, sorry about that:P anything special one need to do to get it right? *edited to fix your quotes*
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Post by wikne on Dec 11, 2011 13:11:02 GMT
I think you have to put yourself in Karl's shoes ... when you see him perform with Feeder and then compare it to James Blunt or someone like that I think it's obvious where he's having more fun. However, think of the pay he'd get from both ... I think that's obvious too. Karl could drum with power but also with finese ... I didn't see that from Damon, he was basically a power drummer like Mark. Again, that's not a bad thing, it really fits some songs, but Jon was all about little nuances and Karl is the only person that has come even slightly close to replicating that. At the end of the day, Feeder will make songs about how they are feeling / what they are experiencing / what is exciting them at the time of writing and recording. I don't think they particuarly plan an albums feel or style ... it'll grow naturally. I can't wait to see what this era in the band's history brings. I'll approach it with an open mind and open ears. No preconceptions. No expectations of this era sounding like a previous one. I can't wait to hear the b-sides on Borders and indeed the title track! I am also excited to hear what the album will bring ... they've not disappointed me yet! Karl is perhaps the closest they have come so far yes, but he lacks the originality and feel/passion in my ears, probably caused to a certain degree because he is a hired gun. A bit flat and predictable at times but great on the tracks that suits his style, still lacking a bit on the power bit. He lacks a distinct sound and gets very anonymous on some tracks when he seems to be adapting to a style that is not really his game. I do also feel that Mark did have a good feel for the softer more mellow tracks as well as the rockier ones, and did not really lack in finesse at least not in the beginning with cis and pts. the album styles seem to grow naturally yes, I just have a stronger feel for Grants more troubled side so to speak. Did not really feel any of that personality that shines trough the lyrics and sound on most of their albums with renegades, and found them a bit anonymous and lacking of a sort of impact on me as a listener. I hope the album will be as good as it can be and that it perhaps has some new surprising elements and that it s a bit more experimental than renegades. With the trumpets and grants description of it being eclectic it does sound promising. I to look forward to the B-sides and i liked the touch with the cassette hehe:p
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Post by bigospedros on Dec 11, 2011 14:11:34 GMT
Anyone expecting a Feeder album to speak volumes lyrically throughout is gonna be disappointed, I reckon. Lyrics are not that important to me, personally ... I'm more about the instrumentation and melody. However, I can understand that for some, lyrics are just as, if not more, important and I can certainly see that some Feeder songs would let you down on that front.
I'm not dismissing G as a lyricist, because he has written some great lyrics over time, but also some average / poor ones. As I said, that to me is not an issue, which is why I can gloss over it and just focus on the music.
I also don't quite get the complaints about polish on tracks on the albums. G is a notorious tinkerer when it comes to the studio ... adding bits here and there to get that complete sound that he likes. Live, there's no place / opportunity for that.
This, however, I absolutely welcome. I like the fact that the songs take on a new life live. With digital cameras being so good now, you can be sure to find the live recording somewhere if that's the one you prefer. Take "Home" for example ... quite a lot of people say the version on the album is poor, but for, it's one of my faves on the album ... it has a rhythm to it that just gets me moving. That is intensified live. Great combo for me.
The very last thing I would want is for a Feeder live show to become the same as playing the CD. It was for that very reason I stopped going to see the Stereophonics live, for several years, because their live shows were EXACTLY like the album. So polished that I resented paying the ticket price when I could just listen to the CD. They've changed again in recent years going back to their early days of good live shows, which is all good.
Renegades as an album did exactly what it said on the tin ... a departure from previous years with a rawer / angrier style, written for live shows. You could argue the album was over-produced and didn't replicate the live shows, but for me, that's ok ... as I said above, different versions is refreshing.
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Post by TheAlex Equivalent Battenberg on Dec 11, 2011 18:47:15 GMT
I agree with pretty much everything Pete has said in his last three posts...I slightly disagree with the lyrical point - it IS the music that's more important to me, but it does grate on me when I hear repeated themes, phrases and words (like "pulling me down"). I think Grant has it in him to write better lyrics, perhaps he should use a thesaurus a bit more. Renegades is my favourite album since Echo Park/Comfort in Sound. I'm not a fan of Borders from what I've heard so far but I'm still excited about the new album. I don't know how you can say a drummer is "too pop" for Feeder?
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Post by Potroque on Dec 11, 2011 19:59:30 GMT
Just by saying that he's not very rock 'n roll?
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Post by Tommy on Dec 11, 2011 20:10:04 GMT
Renegades, to me, sounds like a mid-life crisis album. It sounds like they were desperate to get attention so they tried to stick out by moving away from SC type songs and returned to heavier material.
The video to Renegades just cries out for attention!
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Post by Feederpark on Dec 11, 2011 20:11:58 GMT
I also don't quite get the complaints about polish on tracks on the albums. G is a notorious tinkerer when it comes to the studio ... adding bits here and there to get that complete sound that he likes. Live, there's no place / opportunity for that. This, however, I absolutely welcome. I like the fact that the songs take on a new life live. With digital cameras being so good now, you can be sure to find the live recording somewhere if that's the one you prefer. Take "Home" for example ... quite a lot of people say the version on the album is poor, but for, it's one of my faves on the album ... it has a rhythm to it that just gets me moving. That is intensified live. Great combo for me. The very last thing I would want is for a Feeder live show to become the same as playing the CD. It was for that very reason I stopped going to see the Stereophonics live, for several years, because their live shows were EXACTLY like the album. So polished that I resented paying the ticket price when I could just listen to the CD. They've changed again in recent years going back to their early days of good live shows, which is all good. Renegades as an album did exactly what it said on the tin ... a departure from previous years with a rawer / angrier style, written for live shows. You could argue the album was over-produced and didn't replicate the live shows, but for me, that's ok ... as I said above, different versions is refreshing. Live must be different, that's true! I totally agree with that! However, you say Grant is a perfectionist, ok. But adding some parts here and there are not always good choices. Look at Oasis's Be Here Now : I love the production on it, but I totally understand why some don't like it. Too many guitar parts, trumpets, orchestra... Too much in fact (and you can't say Noel Gallagher isn't a tinkerer...) I have that feeling on Renegades. A good album, but which could have been better with an other production. If you want a Feeder example, Echo Park is for that reason a masterpiece, and it doesn't sound the same at all live ! But hey, it's just my opinion
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Post by peterbroughfeeder on Dec 11, 2011 20:19:34 GMT
Renegades, to me, sounds like a mid-life crisis album. It sounds like they were desperate to get attention so they tried to stick out by moving away from SC type songs and returned to heavier material. The video to Renegades just cries out for attention! What a pathetic thing to say. Feeder were never like that when recording the album or making that video. They knew after the Radio 1 snub with "Silent Cry" radio pluggers would not care about the album so went for an album they wanted to do with no concerns with radio play or sales. The same with the "Renegades" video, they knew even if it was a standard performance video it would not be played, so used the advantage to do the video they did.
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