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Post by starfish on Mar 28, 2012 21:54:04 GMT
It's this last point I'd really like to understand the numbers, but I don't think we'll ever see it. It's internal company data, for a start. But would Feeder themselves even know the numbers? I'm one of the saddos who's paid for this three times now (more fool me, yes, I know). But on each occasion it's been with a different company - Recordstore, iTunes and now Feederweb via Sandbag. Now, unless Recordstore and iTunes share (sell) personal details back to the band, I don't see how Feeder HQ can possibly know whether I'm one person who's bought three copies, or three people who've bought a copy each. As a completist, I bought the Renegades album three times as well - standard, deluxe (signed) and then the ASDA exclusive with the red logo. Again, all three purchases counted towards the chart position. (I'm not including promos and foreign copies, as they didn't count towards the UK sales total). I have FIVE copies of Comfort in Sound bought from the UK - all counting towards the chart position (standard, the version with the DVD, the SACD, the vinyl and the cassette)... so if anything, I'm paying less for Generation Freakshow than I've done for most previous albums! At least with Freakshow I'm getting a few bonus tracks with each format - unlike when I spent money on an SACD I can't even play!
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 28, 2012 22:11:30 GMT
It's this last point I'd really like to understand the numbers, but I don't think we'll ever see it. It's internal company data, for a start. But would Feeder themselves even know the numbers? I'm one of the saddos who's paid for this three times now (more fool me, yes, I know). But on each occasion it's been with a different company - Recordstore, iTunes and now Feederweb via Sandbag. I wasn't referring to knowing individual purchases ... what I meant was, surely they have a model which can predict income depending on whether they get a few extra purchases of whole albums vs many more purchases of an individual download. It's what I'd do if I was i their position and deciding strategy to maximise income.
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Post by [Ghost] on Mar 29, 2012 9:36:02 GMT
The thing is, only the hardcore fans will be interested in the bonus tracks, so it's only them that are going to try and find ways to get the tracks. So if all the hardcore buy all the different albums, then they will make more money then if all the hardcore just buy the tracks seperately for 99p or whatever.
It's this way of thinking that angers me- it's like exploitation of the loyal (at times fanatical!)fanbase that they have built up over the years. In this business it's not all about 'maximising income'- they're hardly a massive band anymore, and if they want sustained longevity then the most important thing they have to do is keep their hardcore fans happy. It's a no brainer.
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 29, 2012 10:21:14 GMT
That all depends on the profit margins from each medium. A single track download will have much less cost to the provider than an album with a bonus track, be that a digital or physical album ... so, then, it depends entirely on the take up to see what your take home would be.
The hardcore will generally buy most things offered ... so the key is to appeal to the average fan that will buy things on impulse. An extra album is not an impulse buy, but a download song is ... and that's why I think they'd make more money *and* keep more fans happy buy offering these tracks individually and similarly, offering exclusive b-sides tracks from physical singles as downloads too. Not many of us would begrudge paying an extra 79p to get a song we already have on a format we might not be able to play and even if we can play it, 79p is nothing to remove the hassle and quality issues of trying to rip said tracks to digital.
If FeederHQ aren't doing this kind of modeling when deciding strategy then I'd be seriously worried ...
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Post by starfish on Mar 29, 2012 12:26:43 GMT
The hardcore will generally buy most things offered ... so the key is to appeal to the average fan that will buy things on impulse. An extra album is not an impulse buy, but a download song is ... In an ideal world of course, we'd all have easy access to these songs - even having bought the album three times now, I wouldn't begrudge anyone in the future being given the ability to buy these off of iTunes. That said, the vast majority of people who buy the album won't give a stuff about the singles or the B-sides. If you look at the 'Renegades' campaign, none of the singles charted but the album itself reached a creditable number 16. The download-only 'Side By Side' single, which was for a trendy charity and was publicised on national TV, didn't trouble the charts at all. If Feeder can't even entice casual buyers to download a charity single from iTunes, then I don't see why they'd get any better luck with a couple of B-sides. Perhaps Feeder HAVE run the models... and in doing so discovered that it's simply not worth it.
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 29, 2012 12:35:02 GMT
Maybe they have ... maybe they made an order for so many physical copies and the pre-sales were disappointing, so wanted to shift more units and this was a way to do it?! Who knows ...
The fact remains, as Ghost pointed out, if Feeder continue to alienate those that do buy their stuff ... turning them into album buyers only and perhaps non gig-goers, then they'll soon find that costs > income and that can only mean one thing ... no more Feeder :S
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 13:03:05 GMT
Is there a chance the bonus track could be called Skyfall?
I only ask because that's the name of the next Bond fill, perhaps there are submitting another track for the theme song?
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 29, 2012 13:46:40 GMT
Is there a chance the bonus track could be called Skyfall? I only ask because that's the name of the next Bond fill, perhaps there are submitting another track for the theme song? It doesn't sound like "Skyfall" in the lyrics ... plus, this song is as far removed from a Bond theme as ever. It's acoustic ...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 13:54:34 GMT
Could be an acoustic version of a full band song???
It's just wishful thinking, I havn't heard the album yet,
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 29, 2012 13:58:33 GMT
Could be an acoustic version of a full band song??? It's just wishful thinking, I havn't heard the album yet, hmmm ... maybe ... you never know! Not wishing to be smug, but I'm listening to it now ... the more I listen, the better the album becomes There are nods to all of their back catalogue on this record ... I'm thinking it'll be a hit with the fans. Now, if only we could get the media excited?!
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Post by Not Karl on Mar 29, 2012 14:57:59 GMT
The biggest mistake Feeder have made is Taka being the drummer, surely this shows Feeder are on the ropes...
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Post by unfinisheddrawings on Mar 29, 2012 20:56:55 GMT
Not wishing to be smug, but I'm listening to it now ... the more I listen, the better the album becomes There are nods to all of their back catalogue on this record ... I'm thinking it'll be a hit with the fans. Totally agree... Oh My = Polythene Idaho = Echo Park Quiet = Comfort In Sound Headstrong = Renegades Perfect mix of all their albums, I'm not getting bored of it and it seems to be going from strength to strength in my mind. As I said before, one of the best albums they've ever done. Up there with Polythene, YWTS and CIS.
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Post by Niai on Mar 29, 2012 21:44:59 GMT
How are you all listening to the album already then eh?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 22:58:00 GMT
There are a lot of promo albums floating around...
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Post by xstaceyx on Mar 29, 2012 23:37:24 GMT
I have also heard the album by joining the promo bandwagon! never thought I'd have listened before release date but It doesn't feel as special when the album gets delivered instead of having to go down the shop so I don't feel like I've spoilt anything! trying not to listen to it too much but... OH MY GOODNESS HOW GOOD IS THIS ALBUM? I'm actually in love with it, the 2 that stand out for me: Idaho, Sunrise - but I really love all the songs, they all have their own different little way about them! Hey Johnny - Could be wrong but this feels quite 'Jon Lee', the lyrics are strong This album is a masterpiece! so glad I'm off to Cardiff next month and 3 dates in November to hear it live
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Post by PyroBowie on Mar 30, 2012 9:25:06 GMT
I do hope Headstrong gets the love it deserves.
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Post by Tulloch100 on Mar 30, 2012 9:26:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 9:37:07 GMT
Lets all flag the tracks as innapropriate, they might get taken down
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Post by Tulloch100 on Mar 30, 2012 10:09:35 GMT
Lets all flag the tracks as innapropriate, they might get taken down just finished doing that
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Post by xuenilom on Mar 30, 2012 10:11:02 GMT
Hey Johnny - Could be wrong but this feels quite 'Jon Lee', the lyrics are strong Yeah, I picked up on this too. This is what Grant said in the 'Total Guitar' interview. But our ears our drawn to reflective words and Cars-esque driving pop of Hey Johnny. Grant confirms the song was indeed influenced by the death of Feeder drummer & close friend Jon Lee in 2002' Understandably, the band's tragedy is still a difficult subject to approach but Grant handles it with touching honesty. "I really had a tough time with that song." he admits, "because with the title people are going to look into it. It wasn't a case of, 'I'm going to write a song about Jon'. It just kind of came. It is a song about loss & somebody who had a shorter life than they should have. I put my thoughts & emotions into songs & it's an issue that effects people. I'd be lying if I said those feelings have gone away because they haven't, and they never will."
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