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Post by Ben on Mar 27, 2012 10:59:03 GMT
I've said before that I wouldn't have spent the time making it that I did (especially after losing over half of it after sinking hours into it) if it weren't for the prize aspect... (Wasn't me that posted that latest reply though! ) Anyway, if I can get hold of a cheap promo I will do. Would quite like to hear the stuff again, the first listen didn't grab me, but there were a few hooks in there, particularly the second half.
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Post by DanBoden39 on Mar 27, 2012 12:37:53 GMT
It's not the end of the world but its very dissapointing in the modern age when you have previously gone to great lengths to acquire every song in their back catalogue. Not to mention it feels like a kick in the teeth. As for them being 'obviously B-Side standard tracks', that is nonsense as far as Feeder are concerned as some of their B-Sides far outshine their album tracks (Just a Day, Slowburn, Emily, Feel It Again, Shatter to name a very quick few) Well, since Silent Cry and Renegades and even the B-Sides we have heard so far from the Generation Freakshow campaign (7 Years Since Shatter). We've not come across any B-Side tracks of the standard of Just a Day, Shatter, Feel It Again for years. So I never hold up much hope of the new B-sides becoming a hidden gem. But we all have different tastes No.. B-sides the following singles off the Album (as Potroque pointed out). I think if people can't hear them or get hold of all of them, gives me a feeling they will be B-sides to the next few singles from this campaign. I understand you're obviously not happy with the band itself for a number of reasons. Mostly because of the prize you never received from when they were with Echo. I can understand that. But as Echo went bust that's when the prize disappeared. And the band seem reluctant to even acknowledge the Silent Cry era.
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 27, 2012 12:57:39 GMT
No.. B-sides the following singles off the Album (as Potroque pointed out). I think if people can't hear them or get hold of all of them, gives me a feeling they will be B-sides to the next few singles from this campaign. No thanks ... as someone that has shelled out the extra for an iTunes version, Recordstore preorder and gig bundle pre order, I would not want for those tracks to be easily available in the UK. Also, this prevents further new tracks being released as b-sides to those singles. If they want to make a catch all EP, maybe a Japanese one (since they don't have access to these tracks either). Then I would buy it, ONLY IF it had some extra content that I don't already have (videos, demos, other new tracks). Big Teeth have made their bed and they now need to lie in it. They'll either do nothing or need to come up with an idea that works for everyone, including those that have already spent the money to get all the tracks as originally first offered.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2012 13:02:15 GMT
I'd approve of the Generation Freakshow equivalent of Seven Sleepers. Especially as that was easily available to order in the UK
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Post by jazzmaster on Mar 27, 2012 13:24:41 GMT
Have they actually said that Miles Away is only available with Itunes albums preorders? I know that itunes bonus tracks often used to be only available with preorders but the ones I've bought recenetly have been available to buy separately.
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 27, 2012 15:42:03 GMT
Have they actually said that Miles Away is only available with Itunes albums preorders? I know that itunes bonus tracks often used to be only available with preorders but the ones I've bought recenetly have been available to buy separately. They've not said either way. All we know at the moment is that it's only available with an album purchase in iTunes since all tracks (apart from Tiny Minds) are listed as "Album Only" meaning you can't buy them individually. I'll try and find out for sure ...
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Post by N-Audioslave on Mar 27, 2012 17:36:12 GMT
Have they actually said that Miles Away is only available with Itunes albums preorders? I know that itunes bonus tracks often used to be only available with preorders but the ones I've bought recenetly have been available to buy separately. They've not said either way. All we know at the moment is that it's only available with an album purchase in iTunes since all tracks (apart from Tiny Minds) are listed as "Album Only" meaning you can't buy them individually. I'll try and find out for sure ... Miles Away has never been available on my country's iTunes so I guess it's only available in UK. What about the rest of us?
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Post by DarthVader007 on Mar 27, 2012 17:59:31 GMT
They've not said either way. All we know at the moment is that it's only available with an album purchase in iTunes since all tracks (apart from Tiny Minds) are listed as "Album Only" meaning you can't buy them individually. I'll try and find out for sure ... Miles Away has never been available on my country's iTunes so I guess it's only available in UK. What about the rest of us? Ask a UK person here in the forum if they could buy a UK Itunes Gift Card for you and create an UK Itunes account with it. It's not just useful for Feeder tracks. Many UK Bands only releases Bonus tracks in the UK
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Post by Potroque on Mar 27, 2012 18:09:49 GMT
They've not said either way. All we know at the moment is that it's only available with an album purchase in iTunes since all tracks (apart from Tiny Minds) are listed as "Album Only" meaning you can't buy them individually. I'll try and find out for sure ... Miles Away has never been available on my country's iTunes so I guess it's only available in UK. What about the rest of us? It looks like I'd get Miles Away if I ordered the album with Itunes. But I'm not sure if the Netherlands have their own Itunes.. Anyway, I just came up with a little theory about Miles Away. Feeder have played a song Walk Away during an acoustic show in Japan. It has already been suggested that these two songs might be the same. Then someone on these forums (was it gibby?), who has already heard the album, said there's an acoustic hidden track. What if this track is Miles Away? It could well be, seen as it is one of the last songs on the album! I can imagine them not selling two songs in one, Itunes, so who knows...
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 27, 2012 18:22:55 GMT
Miles Away has never been available on my country's iTunes so I guess it's only available in UK. What about the rest of us? UK exclusive tracks are not new ... Satellite News and Find The Colour were UK exclusives. They were just on CD, rather than download. I'm sure UK based folks can buy the track for you and send over, as others have said.
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Post by N-Audioslave on Mar 27, 2012 18:37:52 GMT
Miles Away has never been available on my country's iTunes so I guess it's only available in UK. What about the rest of us? Ask a UK person here in the forum if they could buy a UK Itunes Gift Card for you and create an UK Itunes account with it. It's not just useful for Feeder tracks. Many UK Bands only releases Bonus tracks in the UK I'm not familiar with this method but I'll give it a try if no other option appears. Thanks!
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 27, 2012 20:59:40 GMT
Anyway, I just came up with a little theory about Miles Away. Feeder have played a song Walk Away during an acoustic show in Japan. It has already been suggested that these two songs might be the same. Then someone on these forums (was it gibby?), who has already heard the album, said there's an acoustic hidden track. What if this track is Miles Away? It could well be, seen as it is one of the last songs on the album! I can imagine them not selling two songs in one, Itunes, so who knows... I don't think the acoustic track at the end of the album is "Miles Away". I didn't detect those words in the lyrics. I've no idea what it's called officially (I did ask) but I'd hazard a guess at "Skylight".
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Post by Sonorous (ex-feedermadness) on Mar 27, 2012 22:03:13 GMT
I don't think the acoustic track at the end of the album is "Miles Away". I didn't detect those words in the lyrics. I've no idea what it's called officially (I did ask) but I'd hazard a guess at "Skylight". Agreed. "Skylight" sounds like the proper title. Then why would they release a bonus track that though being "hidden" (not that much hidden, given that it starts few seconds after COTS ends - no big waiting like Paperfaces / Bubblehead!) is still on the standard version of the album?
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Post by unfinisheddrawings on Mar 27, 2012 22:39:09 GMT
To me, the 'hidden' track sounds a bit like an addition to Children Of The Sun instead of it's own song, it's beautiful though. It's almost like an outro, but a very fitting end to an amazing album. In my opinion, it makes the song about ten times better and much more powerful as a closing track.
I think GF is their best album since CIS without a doubt. Favourite tracks are Oh My, Sunrise, Generation Freakshow and In All Honesty. Quiet would be up there too but the fade out ruins it for me. Not mad on Tiny Minds or Fools Can't Sleep, but the rest of the album is very very very solid.
Children Of The Sun is great, but I think there are a lot better choices for a single on the album. Either way, people are not going to be dissapointed with the album.
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 27, 2012 22:55:16 GMT
I don't think the acoustic track at the end of the album is "Miles Away". I didn't detect those words in the lyrics. I've no idea what it's called officially (I did ask) but I'd hazard a guess at "Skylight". Agreed. "Skylight" sounds like the proper title. Then why would they release a bonus track that though being "hidden" (not that much hidden, given that it starts few seconds after COTS ends - no big waiting like Paperfaces / Bubblehead!) is still on the standard version of the album? It's not unusual for bands to put a hidden track on the standard album ... It's a nice surprise, even if the gap is small.
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Post by Sonorous (ex-feedermadness) on Mar 27, 2012 23:59:41 GMT
It's not unusual for bands to put a hidden track on the standard album ... It's a nice surprise, even if the gap is small. Yeah, I probably expressed my thoughts the wrong way, I basically meant to say that it would be meaningless if "Miles away" was the hidden track at the end of COTS, cause the hidden track itself is already on the standard version of the album and it wouldn't be just right if it was released as a bonus track through itunes. I was trying to say this, sorry Of course it's a nice surprise, in this particular case it's just one of the most amazing things I've heard in the whole of my life!
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Post by jellybean on Mar 28, 2012 0:14:26 GMT
Anybody know what Feeder/big teeth's stance is on spotify? renegades is obviously up, will GF be too?
i'd like to know before i bother buying any sort of digital copy, as i tend to use spotify on me mobile more than any mp3 player anyway.
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Post by Riccardo on Mar 28, 2012 10:31:57 GMT
Only one thing: "Oh my" is one of the best feeder song of all time. I can't understand why it's not a single.
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Post by [Ghost] on Mar 28, 2012 12:01:14 GMT
I'd argue Purify, Calling Out For Days, Fallen, In Times Of Crisis & Sending Out Waves are all better then quite a few album tracks from Silent Cry & Renegades. We do all have different tastes, but it'd be nice to actualy get the opportunity to hear the songs and decide for ourselves. I couldn't get my head around what you were saying to be honest, but I understand now. Personally I really do hope they do realise the tracks in one form or another, although as Pete says that will be very unfair on those that have shelled out on the album three times (I say more fool them for condoning it but still). I was never owed a prize, it was Ben, Pete and the actual winner of the competition (who doesn't post here). Just because the band arn't acknowledging it doesn't make it right. But my main gripe is, as I've said, is the band/management, basically whoring themselves out and offering very little extra to the album all over the place with the benefit being nothing else then to line their pockets. I do actually want to stop talking about this now. It seems there is nothing that can be done about it, and it's now a waiting game to see what their next move is regarding these songs. I may never hear them but I'm sure I'll survive. Anybody know what Feeder/big teeth's stance is on spotify? renegades is obviously up, will GF be too? i'd like to know before i bother buying any sort of digital copy, as i tend to use spotify on me mobile more than any mp3 player anyway. Giving the fact Renegades is on there and it's the same label, I'd say probably. Bands don't usually announce when albums are put on there though I've found, I've found a few haven't been there when I've searched and I've found them months later! Just said found a lot of times.
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 28, 2012 13:23:35 GMT
I couldn't get my head around what you were saying to be honest, but I understand now. Personally I really do hope they do realise the tracks in one form or another, although as Pete says that will be very unfair on those that have shelled out on the album three times (I say more fool them for condoning it but still). It's this last point I'd really like to understand the numbers, but I don't think we'll ever see it. It's internal company data, for a start. Clearly, Big Teeth need to make a profit, as any company would, but I think they too have to remember that music fans these days are extremely sensitive to cost and they can easily lose customers if their product offerings and pricing is not up to scratch. That is my fear here ... I assume that most of us would buy these extra tracks in a heartbeat if we could get them individually. It would be really interesting to do the maths, but I don't know the numbers to be able to do it. I just hope Big Teeth have ... because less buyers = less income = less to invest on future music / tours ... and that may end up with the band giving up, which I'd clearly hate to see.
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