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Post by Potroque on Mar 23, 2012 9:42:23 GMT
I remember, as a spotty teenager in the 1990s, begrudging having to pay £11 for 'Polythene' again just for the sake of a slightly different version of 'Polythene Girl'. Times haven't changed! Whoa hang on a second.... a slightly different version of Polythene Girl? Never heard of that! Anyway, just wanted to slither into this discussion. Ever being the optimist (to a certain extent), I think we will have acces to these exclusive songs later on. If there's so many b-sides and exclusives, history suggests they will be released sometime in the future. The big question is, when will this be? The wait, the wait is way too long! But this is why I just ordered one copy of Generation Freakshow (which is, the very first one that became available through Recordstore). As for all these new options for pre-ordering, I hate it, but as I said above, I'm not feeling I'm missing out on something yet. The bigger the disappointment will be when it turns out I am. But that knowledge is way ahead of us (as is the release date for GF, seems like ages). Now, I am willing to buy two copies of the album, 'cause frankly, they're not too expensive. I remember paying 20 euros for Silent Cry (and Comfort In Sound as well, come to think of it) at the time, but that's the price you pay for most new albums over here in the Netherlands. I've lost any sort of overview on what all the options are at the moment. Seriously considering buying another copy, but which? 1. The I-tunes version comes with Miles Away (and a direct download of Tiny Minds, if I remember correctly). But I'd rather have someone vomit all over me, than order with I-tunes. 2. The No Light one lets you buy a ticket for a venue in the UK. So that ticket I can only use to doodle something on it or wipe my butt (and when it's digital, I can't even do that). 3.... is there a third option that would get me an extra song? They manage to annoy fans with these different options, but they even fail to give an overview on what these options are... I'm sorry if I sounded negative above, but as I stated 'more above', I'm always optimistic about the future. That's why I think, when the band notices all the negativity, they will somehow make it up with us. I can't imagine Grant sleeping soundly with the knowledge that most of us hard-core fans are fed up with the way this campaign has been going. Once again, the thing that annoys me most is the wait...the wait...
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Post by fitfornothing on Mar 23, 2012 9:55:50 GMT
Well their 'strategy' isn't working with me. I just bought the digital version of Borders whereas I'd much rather have paid more for a nice four track ep with all the assorted b sides on which would I assume have made the band more money.
Also haven't pre-ordered the album. Too many options. Think I'll wait until it's finally out!
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 23, 2012 10:01:50 GMT
The thing is though, they've made this decision and any reversal or offer of "No Light" or "Miles Away" through a different channel, especially if it's low cost or free, is going to really annoy the people that have shelled out the original price to get the songs.
If they made another bsides album and put them on there then that's not so bad becauses there would be to of other content too, but I can't see that happening to be honest as half the tracks that would need to be there are with Chrysalis and I'm not sure where they stand on Feeder projects.
The only real hope is a Japanese EP to come out to have the tracks, but Im not sure how that would work. In an ideal world, they'd release an EP over there with a lead track from the album, whatever suits best and backed up with "Along The Avenues", "Coast To Coast", "Miles Away", "No Light" and "Find A Place" plus maybe a couple of other tracks form the album or acoustic versions if they want.
This would be good for the Japanese market, because they don't have access to these tracks either. It'd also be good for non Japanese fans, especially if they do what they did with the Seven Sleepers EP and get a load to sell here in the UK (which was my suggestion, by the way ... They weren't planning to do that till I gave them the idea!). Even fans that have got all these tracks already are likely to buy this to get proper versions of the cassette and vinyl bsides.
As a peace offering for this campaign, this would be pretty good. If they then learnt for future projects, all would be good again.
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Post by Stu on Mar 23, 2012 11:39:21 GMT
I dunno, I think deplorable and unethical are very strong words. How is it any different from the currently voguish practice of re-releasing a relatively-recent album with bonus tracks? A mate of mine is a big Florence & the Machine fan and had to buy four different versions of the 'Lungs' album to get all the available tracks! Take That, Ellie Goulding, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, they're all doing it - bringing out albums and then re-releasing them a few months later with exclusive extra content. It's different because decisions to re-release those albums with bonus content would have been made by the record labels - well Feeder are their own record label now, so the buck stops with them. Also the bonus tracks from re-releases are generally available to buy individually from download outlets, so buying multiple copies is not required. I accept most fans, including myself, would want CD versions if available, but the point is that double-dipping is not the sole option. Or how about movies released on DVD or Blu-ray, only to be re-issued months later with extra scenes and bonus features (e.g. Casino Royale, Avatar)? This annoys me too, but it's not really a fair comparison. The movies you've mentioned cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce, so when they're successful studios have to capitalise on that because similar projects may have made massive losses. It's the same with the music biz, even if the initial costs involved are on a much smaller scale. And like the albums you mentioned before, the choice to re-issue will have been made by executives rather than directors/actors/writers. DVDs are also pretty cheap compared to music - I know I bought multiple versions of Casino Royale for less than the cost of the Borders single package. And you think paying for a gig ticket in order to get an exclusive track is bad enough, have a heart for collectors of Transformers action figures, who had to buy a Japanese Toshiba Vardia HD-DVD player costing £600 in order to get an exclusive pink repaint of Starscream! This is also not really the same thing. Buying cosmetically different items is leaning slightly more towards the irrational side of collecting - I'm not judging though, as I've been there myself! With toy collecting though, if the figure was rare enough to warrant spending £600 to get it, isn't it pretty likely that the value of the figure itself will appreciate over time?
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Post by jellybean on Mar 23, 2012 12:19:31 GMT
Re-releases with additional content via download as a model is a good one, but doesn't really apply to this situation at the moment, as by that time the album is already out...
the issue here is the incentive being offered and the method of delivery. i think we're losing sight of the fact that the dodgy part for most here seems to be two things:
- the gig ticket - tracks only being available with a full album purchase.
i'd love to see a re-issue with bonus content down the line, and this model can be really effective depending on what content is offered. if it's just an extra few tracks, offer them digitally as well. if it's a DVD or some other bonus content, then people wont mind buying the album again for access, i don't think.
my personal stance on the release incentives: none of them have really provided an incentive to me whatsoever. i guess on the scale i fall some way under most of you guys; i'm not a collector, one copy of the album will do me fine, but i would purchase individual tracks if they're available. if they're not, then there will just be a collection of songs i wont hear for some time/at all.
i don't really know how to do this, but i think bands need to get a little more creative with their bundles/incentives - something feeder have done in the past.
as an example; years ago i went to a Swimming gig. At the merch stand (and later online) they were selling different packages. -The album mailed to you on release -The album mailed and a shirt from the gig for an extra £something -the album mailed, a shirt, and a ticket to a future gig.
a simple incentive but i came away with tshirt, album and ticket, for a band i was seeing for the first time!
(it helps that they're really, really good.)
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Post by N-Audioslave on Mar 23, 2012 16:34:44 GMT
I have a simple question. How are we, the foreign fans, supposed to get "No Light"? I'm often checking iTunes Greece to see that it's still not included as a preorder bonus track. Is it going to appear? Isn't this situation unfair for loyal fans who love the band and buy every stuff they release?
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Post by PyroBowie on Mar 23, 2012 20:45:25 GMT
The review in Q Magazine isn't too nice...2/5.
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Post by Riccardo on Mar 23, 2012 21:39:22 GMT
The review in Q Magazine isn't too nice...2/5. Review of the album?? Why? The songs i heard on youtube are great.
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 23, 2012 21:59:34 GMT
Who cares what the critics think?
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Post by Riccardo on Mar 23, 2012 22:06:27 GMT
I agree with you but just to know...
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Post by jazzmaster on Mar 23, 2012 22:53:03 GMT
I agree with you but just to know... "Sadly nothing they have done since Buck Rogers has come close to matching it." They said it was to predictable. Best songs are Borders and Sunrise.
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Post by 20th Century Renegade on Mar 23, 2012 23:07:47 GMT
Wow that confused me having the same avatar as someone else Critics? Ah who needs them, one reviewer gave a damn good album 1.2 out of 10
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Post by Tim Smith on Mar 24, 2012 8:07:38 GMT
Being a designer, I just got my copy.
Don't listen to that review, it's a fucking corker
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Post by Tulloch100 on Mar 24, 2012 10:58:31 GMT
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Post by xuenilom on Mar 24, 2012 11:58:58 GMT
I agree with you but just to know... "Sadly nothing they have done since Buck Rogers has come close to matching it." They said it was to predictable. Best songs are Borders and Sunrise. So Q think Feeder have done nothing note worthy since 'Buck Rogers'?!!! Sorry but that is laughable. I'd have stopped reading the review there.
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Post by Ben on Mar 25, 2012 12:10:55 GMT
If they then learnt for future projects, all would be good again. But they won't. They've not learned anything from previous mistakes, why would they start now?
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Post by Sonorous (ex-feedermadness) on Mar 25, 2012 12:41:04 GMT
I agree with you but just to know... "Sadly nothing they have done since Buck Rogers has come close to matching it." They said it was to predictable. Best songs are Borders and Sunrise. Ridiculous. The album's an absolute belter, plus wasn't it someone at Q magazine who gave an enthusiastic review of PTS in the past? They are basically contradicting themselves! Anyway, does anyone have a link to the review?
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Post by bigospedros on Mar 25, 2012 13:57:26 GMT
If they then learnt for future projects, all would be good again. But they won't. They've not learned anything from previous mistakes, why would they start now? I remain hopeful ... it depends how much they want to listen to their customers!!
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Post by Riccardo on Mar 25, 2012 14:34:11 GMT
Anorher not good review. 5/10 tinyurl.com/8xc9tmqWait for the album... I don't trust people think buck rogers is the best album. They don't know anything about feeder. Imho.
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Post by Feeder Norge on Mar 25, 2012 14:53:42 GMT
After reading the DIY review I also read the review of the Koko gig earlier this year. And for me it seems like these guys don't really remember what they wrote that night After the gig: "Yes, ladies and gents, the Welsh rockers may have been away from the music scene for a while, but they are back, with a new drummer and an album of songs that make us old school fans fall in love with them all over again." Album review: "A simple rehash of their dynamic pop-grunge opus 'Echo Park'." Either way I'm looking forward to the album!!
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